Maji Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Nothing to worry about, they said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Maji said: Ummm.... I was surprised by this, but another report says the Democrats, including Fetterman were trying to stop anyone from being sworn in. The certified elected candidate does have a challenge in the courts as well due to some ballots not having dates properly on there (alleged). I don't know if this is quite so cut and dry here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, East Coast Aztec said: The certified elected candidate does have a challenge in the courts as well due to some ballots not having dates properly on there (alleged). I don't know if this is quite so cut and dry here. You shouldn't prevent a duly elected member from being sworn in just because his opponent is filing court cases. That's something Trump would advocate for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 24 minutes ago, Maji said: Ummm.... The GOP might end up increasing Fetterman's state and national popularity with that move. Create a candidate that will be harder for them to beat in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Maji said: You shouldn't prevent a duly elected member from being sworn in just because his opponent is filing court cases. That's something Trump would advocate for Seems shady, for sure. Need one of these folks who know way too much about this stuff to decipher the "legality" of this type of bullshit. I wonder why the Dems were trying to stop it though. I don't know enough about PA politics (thank god). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 This is part of Fetterman's comments to a PA Fox affiliate after he was removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 It looks like the win was upheld by the state Supreme Court too. This is not a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FresnoFacts Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, Maji said: It looks like the win was upheld by the state Supreme Court too. This is not a good move. The GOP candidate filed in Federal Court and that is still unresolved. Basically she is asking to throw out mail-in ballots where the signatures matched but the voter did not date it. That would be enough votes to give her the win. But since the Federal Court still has not ruled, she asked the GOP-majority State Senate to declare her the winner and swear her in. She didn't ask for the seat to remain vacant during court appeals. She wanted the GOP majority to set aside both those votes AND the state certification of results then declare her the winner. We will see how far the PA GOP is willing to go (leave the seat vacant during appeal or declare a GOP winner). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 "Both sides" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSanDiegan Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Maji said: What the actual. Can we all agree now that the current incarnation of the "establishment" GOP is simply pro-authoritarianism and anti-democratic? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, TheSanDiegan said: What the actual. Can we all agree now that the current incarnation of the "establishment" GOP is simply pro-authoritarianism and anti-democratic? I've been thinking about this David Frum quote lot lately. “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” However, I think many have abandoned actual conservatism, but they still use the name. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, toonkee said: I've been thinking about this David Frum quote lot lately. “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” However, I think many have abandoned actual conservatism, but they still use the name. Because “social conservatism” isn’t really conservative. It’s authoritarianism as the current southern dominated GOP has proven. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Trumpism = racism and a whole lot of other isms grasping to hang on. Real conservatism is losing ideology at this time and this has been building for quite a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 What in the world... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Those viewpoints are dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los_Aztecas Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Maji said: Those viewpoints are dangerous If that's what the majority of the voters want then we'd have to live with it. Thankfully it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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smltwnrckr Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Maji said: Those viewpoints are dangerous They're ascendant in the conservative movement. 3 Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said: They're ascendant in the conservative movement. Reading that twitter, the vibe I'm getting is that if you're under 25 and a republican, you're a nazi. Is that accurate? Quote Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...