son of a gun Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 5:23 PM, CPslograd said: Every now and then I want to fight you. This is one of those times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, BSUTOP25 said: @bsu_alum9used to roll around in his Honda Civic with an amplified muffler, oversized spoiler, and giant NO FEAR sticker spanning the back window while blasting Creed. True story, there was a 19 year old dude on my street in 1992 that changed his license plate on his lifted jeep to "grunge". Cringe iest thing I've ever seen to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, renoskier said: WOW! I don't know who Creed is but they must really suck. Imagine if Christian Rock and Pop Rock had a talentless child. That’s Creed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 hours ago, CPslograd said: What the he’ll did I just watch? We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMpackalum Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 9:15 PM, toonkee said: Pfizer did not need US red tape cut. If they got this thing and tested outside the US there ain't no way the FDA or the Trump admin or any admin isn't going to play ball. Pfizer has all the cards. Trump gets 0.00 credits. We should cut out the politics now. Novavax took Warpspeed money and will likely be the vaccine that does more good for the world than either Pfizer or Moderna because it doesn't need freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, NMpackalum said: We should cut out the politics now. Novavax took Warpspeed money and will likely be the vaccine that does more good for the world than either Pfizer or Moderna because it doesn't need freezing. Novavax is one of the reasons I think the money spent by OWS was a good investment and good policy. Even if that little biotech beats Sanofi (similar vaccine) or others, and actually produces a vaccine (it would be the first for $NVAX) because of funding from OWS, their genetic and synthetic biology has a research history stretch back a number of years. Agree — take the politics out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, NMpackalum said: We should cut out the politics now. Novavax took Warpspeed money and will likely be the vaccine that does more good for the world than either Pfizer or Moderna because it doesn't need freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, NMpackalum said: We should cut out the politics now. Novavax took Warpspeed money and will likely be the vaccine that does more good for the world than either Pfizer or Moderna because it doesn't need freezing. Very good, but that's Novavax. We'll assess that when it's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 In Google Sheets format, iirc, and usually updated in a timely manner: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/drugs-vaccines-tracker/#vaccines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, toonkee said: Very good, but that's Novavax. We'll assess that when it's time. And I’m sure the usual suspects will predictably find fault, well, because Trump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NevadaFan Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 53 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said: And I’m sure the usual suspects will predictably find fault, well, because Trump... Which part of the fact that Trump has nothing to do with the development of a vaccine are you having trouble comprehending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said: And I’m sure the usual suspects will predictably find fault, well, because Trump... I hate Trump, but I give him credit where it’s due. He hasn’t been due much credit outside of some foreign policy decisions, but he will deserve credit for any vaccines approved that are a direct result of OWS, and there will likely be a few of those before he leaves office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, NevadaFan said: Which part of the fact that Trump has nothing to do with the development of a vaccine are you having trouble comprehending? Exactly my point. You are definitely be of the usual suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said: I hate Trump, but I give him credit where it’s due. He hasn’t been due much credit outside of some foreign policy decisions, but he will deserve credit for any vaccines approved that are a direct result of OWS, and there will likely be a few of those before he leaves office. I’ll split the difference. The pandemic required a massive effort to develop a vaccine. As I said, OWS was good policy. I think a fair criticism is that it should have been drawn up and implemented a bit sooner. An administration responding to a natural disaster, pandemic, or other mass situation is what is expected. Funding biotechs for vaccine development was a pretty logical move. So, good for the administration for doing what it did and what it should have. However, without the often lengthy varying scientific research backgrounds for differing vaccine types all the government and private foundation monies (Gates Foundation for example was far ahead) would be for naught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, NorCalCoug said: And I’m sure the usual suspects will predictably find fault, well, because Trump... And I'm sure the usual suspects will predictably give him way too much credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalCoug Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, toonkee said: And I'm sure the usual suspects will predictably give him way too much credit. Probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, grandjean87 said: I’ll split the difference. The pandemic required a massive effort to develop a vaccine. As I said, OWS was good policy. I think a fair criticism is that it should have been drawn up and implemented a bit sooner. An administration responding to a natural disaster, pandemic, or other mass situation is what is expected. Funding biotechs for vaccine development was a pretty logical move. So, good for the administration for doing what it did and what it should have. However, without the varying scientific research backgrounds for differing vaccine types all the government and private foundation monies (Gates Foundation for example was far ahead) would be for naught. And it probably would have been if someone hadn't done away with the "Pandemic Response Team" a few years earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMpackalum Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, grandjean87 said: I’ll split the difference. The pandemic required a massive effort to develop a vaccine. As I said, OWS was good policy. I think a fair criticism is that it should have been drawn up and implemented a bit sooner. An administration responding to a natural disaster, pandemic, or other mass situation is what is expected. Funding biotechs for vaccine development was a pretty logical move. So, good for the administration for doing what it did and what it should have. However, without the often lengthy varying scientific research backgrounds for differing vaccine types all the government and private foundation monies (Gates Foundation for example was far ahead) would be for naught. Yeah but the Warpspeed vaccines won't have surveillance chips in them like Gates foundation vaccines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada6077 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Trump won’t be administering any of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 22 hours ago, NMpackalum said: Yeah but the Warpspeed vaccines won't have surveillance chips in them like Gates foundation vaccines. China manufactures the virus. 5G spreads it. Gates Foundation vaccine feeds the surveillance chips. Brilliant plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...