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Final debate game thread

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19 minutes ago, LoboMan59 said:

And Alaska, and the Dakotas, and Wyoming, and California, New Mexico, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas, the Gulf States... etc.

How many of those are tipping point swing states?

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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Just now, 4UNLV said:

Earlier today I saw a poll that had Biden even with Trump in Texas at 47%, which meant that Biden could certainly win Texas and win the presidency. I think he lost that tonight with his 'plan' to phase out the oil industry.

Agreed.

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4 minutes ago, NMpackalum said:

I wouldn't say severely weakened. When one of the reasons given is Republicans refuse to help fix problems and the majority of the sabotage are legal challenges while leaving the programs running, this hardly constitutes defunding.

Soften it anyway you like, The fact still remains that the Republican party did everything they could to sabotage the affordable care act. They didn’t care how it affected Americans that needed affordable health care, they still don’t. That’s why they’re in court right now to try to kill what’s left of it.

"Make a mistake once and it becomes a lesson, make the same mistake twice and it becomes a choice."
 

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24 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

This is why they will always lose on that issue. They’ve never gotten serious about developing a real policy.

They have a real policy. Have no policy and enrich healthcare companies.

On 12/1/2016 at 12:26 PM, WyomingCoog said:

I own a vehicle likely worth more than everything you own combined and just flew first class (including a ticket for a 2 1/2 year old), round trip to Las Vegas and I'm not 35 yet. When you accomplish something outside of finishing a book, let me know. When's the last time you saw a 2 year old fly first class in their own seat? Don't tell me about elite.  

28 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

I’d happily compare IQ’s with you any day of the week.

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53 minutes ago, sebasour said:

Oooh, that "good" comment to children being in cages is gonna be played a lot

 

53 minutes ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

Biden makes final comment about separated children. Trump says “good.”

I went back and watched that.  He said “go ahead” to the moderator.  I thought he said “good” at first too. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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1 minute ago, NVGiant said:

That’s the game though. Debates are about perceptions. Biden benefitted bigly from low expectations, too

Definite low bar on both sides.................main fun was seeing if trump was going to lose his mind, crap in his hand & toss it at the moderator................... Biden just needed to come across as an Alzheimer's patient 

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22 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

Anyone change their mind?

 

Nope. Maybe this calms a few nerves on the right. Let's see how his temper tantrum over at 60 minutes plays.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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2 minutes ago, 4UNLV said:

Earlier today I saw a poll that had Biden even with Trump in Texas at 47%, which meant that Biden could certainly win Texas and win the presidency. I think he lost that tonight with his 'plan' to phase out the oil industry.

Yep Biden just killed any chance he had in Texas. He may have also screwed up his lead in Pennsylvania.  I mean he’s not wrong, we need to get off of oil.   We’re running out of it.  But still phucked up there. 

thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater

 

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2 minutes ago, 4UNLV said:

Earlier today I saw a poll that had Biden even with Trump in Texas at 47%, which meant that Biden could certainly win Texas and win the presidency. I think he lost that tonight with his 'plan' to phase out the oil industry.

Oil is going the way of the Dodo at least for the majority of auto's ................like Coal, 8-Tracks, Livery Stables , things come & go due to technology & advancements in science and engineering 

Oils won't go away totally but its not going to be the power player in the coming century it was in the 20th century 

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1 minute ago, UNLV2001 said:

Oil is going the way of the Dodo at least for the majority of auto's ................like Coal, 8-Tracks, Livery Stables , things come & go due to technology & advancements in science and engineering 

Oils won't go away totally but its not going to be the power player in the coming century it was in the 20th century 

I get that, and you get that. But the oil industry and those who work for them, are going to take offense upon hearing that. Biden shouldn't have said anything about that tonight, I think that was a huge mistake.

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4 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Yeah I know you do.  That is why I qualified my statements.  I’m surrounded by medical professionals, but not dealing with it daily.
 

I think your statement understates the difficulty those with pre-existing conditions had in finding any type of reasonable insurance.  The expansion of Medicare in states who approved it did help but I disagree all of it.

Regardless, we as a country can no longer afford in a global economy to be paying 1.8 times the next highest country for health care costs.   It’s simply not sustainable.   And it’s not all lawyers.   

Absolutely it is difficult for anyone with pre-existing conditions with or without insurance to get care. I don't understate it at all. My nurse's son has a congenital heart condition with average (aka crappy) commercial insurance. Unable to find anyone to do a procedure for less than 20k (inclusive of hospital) due to no network providers. Doesn't qualify for subsidized ACA plans and the deductible would have been $6000 anyway. I told her to have him quit his job so that he can qualify for Medicaid but he isn't eligible until the enrollment period 6 months later. I agree we can't afford it. Doctors aren't benefitting. Most patients aren't benefitting. Follow the money.

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2 minutes ago, 4UNLV said:

I get that, and you get that. But the oil industry and those who work for them, are going to take offense upon hearing that. Biden shouldn't have said anything about that tonight, I think that was a huge mistake.

But it could help with liberals who aren't crazy about him. 

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1 minute ago, Akkula said:

But it could help with liberals who aren't crazy about him. 

Yes, good point. But had he been able to win in Texas, he'd have locked down the presidency. I think that possibility is gone now. But I don't think anyone has ever planned on Biden winning in Texas, anyway.

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1 minute ago, 4UNLV said:

I get that, and you get that. But the oil industry and those who work for them, are going to take offense upon hearing that. Biden shouldn't have said anything about that tonight, I think that was a huge mistake.

As a guy who owns a few thousand shares of ...................Energy Transfer LP (ET) & Western Midstream Partners, LP (WES) 

I can understand the thinking - I'm in it for the "dividends" or Partnership Distribution 

But still, fracking isn't an issue other than a few states or locations ..............and as times change Texas will come into play because of their total population Oil will become less & less a power player 

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1 minute ago, 4UNLV said:

Yes, good point. But had he been able to win in Texas, he'd have locked down the presidency. I think that possibility is gone now. But I don't think anyone has ever planned on Biden winning in Texas, anyway.

A lot of people (including those that live near Big Oil) don't realize that a lot of Oil Companies are also becoming leaders in Renewable Energy.  It's not like they'll go away, just adapt.

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