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1 hour ago, alum93 said:

Well for one,  it scares the living crap out of old people that don't want the demographic change.  And those old scared people tend to vote for one particular party.

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4 hours ago, retrofade said:

I'd say immigration reform (DACA, E-Verify, pathway to citizenship) in exchange for the stupid ass wall. But that was already offered and subsequently rejected by Trump and the GOP. 

The whole 2018-2019 government shutdown was based on the democratic controlled house refusing to pass an appropriations bill that included a lousy $5.7 billion for the wall in the 2019 fiscal budget and Trump offered to extend DACA and TPS for 3 more years.---Wasn't a good enough deal for the Dems. 

it worked out for Trump...because he got funding for the wall anyway and if you check the construction it's f*cking cruising....but DACA recipients are in total limbo. 

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40 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

The whole 2018-2019 government shutdown was based on the democratic controlled house refusing to pass an appropriations bill that included a lousy $5.7 billion for the wall in the 2019 fiscal budget and Trump offered to extend DACA and TPS for 3 more years.---Wasn't a good enough deal for the Dems. 

it worked out for Trump...because he got funding for the wall anyway and if you check the construction it's f*cking cruising....but DACA recipients are in total limbo. 

By in limbo, you mean after nearly 4 years, the DACA recipients are still here and likely to stay.  How many new miles, not modifications to existing wall, have been constructed again?  This article says 5 as of August.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/Border-wall-progress-15467427.php

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3 minutes ago, alum93 said:

By in limbo, you mean after nearly 4 years, the DACA recipients are still here and likely to stay.  How many new miles, not modifications to existing wall, have been constructed again?  This article says 5.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/Border-wall-progress-15467427.php

Man, that wall is cruising along at the breakneck speed of 1.25 miles per year.

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8 minutes ago, alum93 said:

By in limbo, you mean after nearly 4 years, the DACA recipients are still here and likely to stay.  How many new miles, not modifications to existing wall, have been constructed again?  

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/politics/2020/09/04/daca-changes-leave-thousands-of-undocumented-teens-in-fear-of-deportation

321 miles , 500,000 tons of the steel. 700,000 cubic yards of concrete. By the way, replacing existing barrier is just as important as new wall---as existing 'wall' in many places was flimsy barbed wire fencing or simply vehicle barriers. 

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6 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/politics/2020/09/04/daca-changes-leave-thousands-of-undocumented-teens-in-fear-of-deportation

321 miles , 500,000 tons of the steel. 700,000 cubic yards of concrete. By the way, replacing existing barrier is just as important as new wall---as existing 'wall' in many places was flimsy barbed wire fencing or simply vehicle barriers. 

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3 to 5 new miles.  

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/20/donald-trump/facts-donald-trumps-claim-182-miles-border-wall-co/

There is construction going on at the Southwest border — so far 187 miles have completed projects. But only a small part of that represents areas of the border that previously had no protection.

What the administration has mostly done is replace old and outdated designs with newer and improved barriers.

Trump’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context. We rate it Half True.

 

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11 minutes ago, alum93 said:

By in limbo, you mean after nearly 4 years, the DACA recipients are still here and likely to stay.  How many new miles, not modifications to existing wall, have been constructed again?  This article says 5 as of August.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/us-world/border-mexico/article/Border-wall-progress-15467427.php

My friend was down there for acquisitions.  Said it was an absolute cluster+++++.  Completely rushed the policy and implementation and they have been unable to acquire much.  Now that funding sources are changing, they may have more issues.  No surprise that they are fortifying the previous stuff, which I think is smart to do.  Something that likely no one would have argued with, and would have been a simple capital project under any other administration.

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33 minutes ago, alum93 said:

3 to 5 new miles.  

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/20/donald-trump/facts-donald-trumps-claim-182-miles-border-wall-co/

There is construction going on at the Southwest border — so far 187 miles have completed projects. But only a small part of that represents areas of the border that previously had no protection.

What the administration has mostly done is replace old and outdated designs with newer and improved barriers.

Trump’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context. We rate it Half True.

 

3 to 5 miles. Riiiight. lol, you gotta love how Politifact parses information to 'correct' Trump but misrepresents the reality of the situation entirely. The point is to secure the border, and that includes replacing completely ineffective currently existing barrier. Especially when it's replacing countless miles of flimsy fencing and vehicle barriers that could be bypassed in minutes. (pictured below)  That 187 miles figure from May is up to 321 as of September bud. That's 134 miles in 4~ months. More being installed everyday, from San Diego to Brownsville Texas. As I said, CRUISING BABY!!!

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system

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11 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

3 to 5 miles. Riiiight. lol, you gotta love how Politifact parses information to 'correct' Trump but misrepresents the reality of the situation entirely. The point is to secure the border, and that includes replacing completely ineffective currently existing barrier. Especially when it's replacing countless miles of flimsy fencing and vehicle barriers that could be bypassed in minutes. (pictured below)  That 187 miles figure from May is up to 321 as of September bud. That's 134 miles in 4~ months. More being installed everyday, from San Diego to Brownsville Texas. As I said, CRUISING BABY!!!

https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/along-us-borders/border-wall-system

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So to summarize, not 321 new miles.  3 to 5.  And DACA recipients aren't going anywhere.   However you want to slice it or dice it,  the demographics of the country continue to shift with more immigrants,  and those immigrants over time tend to have more kids.  It is what it is.  Those pics aren't changing anything.   See the pic posted above plugging one whole with water spurting out an inch away.  That's a perfect analogy.

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17 minutes ago, alum93 said:

So to summarize, not 321 new miles.  3 to 5.  And DACA recipients aren't going anywhere.   However you want to slice it or dice it,  the demographics of the country continue to shift with more immigrants,  and those immigrants over time tend to have more kids.  It is what it is.  Those pics aren't changing anything.   See the pic posted above plugging one whole with water spurting out an inch away.  That's a perfect analogy.

Well you're taking the 3 to 5 figure from an article from May that said 187 miles were constructed when it's up to 321 as of September..so somewhere between 3/5 miles and the 134 miles additional miles built between May and September...and growing. btw, I don't care about demographics change. That is inevitable, and only white supremacists give a shit about that which is a tiny, irrelevant fraction of the population. The point is to confine immigration to ports of entry....legally and to combat human trafficking as well as the drug trafficking. 

You realize the boy is plugging a hole....in a dike. Which is a WALL to prevent flooding. You have to build the wall to stop the flood before you worry about a few holes. 

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41 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

Well you're taking the 3 to 5 figure from an article from May that said 187 miles were constructed when it's up to 321 as of September..so somewhere between 3/5 miles and the 134 miles additional miles built between May and September...and growing. btw, I don't care about demographics change. That is inevitable, and only white supremacists give a shit about that which is a tiny, irrelevant fraction of the population. The point is to confine immigration to ports of entry....legally and to combat human trafficking as well as the drug trafficking. 

You realize the boy is plugging a hole....in a dike. Which is a WALL to prevent flooding. You have to build the wall to stop the flood before you worry about a few holes. 

The original article I posted was updated August 9th.  FYI

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7 hours ago, alum93 said:

Well for one,  it scares the living crap out of old people that don't want the demographic change.  And those old scared people tend to vote for one particular party.

There's also union people against increased immigration. It hurts their bargaining position, especially in right to work states, where you can just hire someone willing to work for less. There's also the legal immigrants who feel like they've worked hard at citizenship, and don't want people to sneak in and simply get it because they're there.

But you're mostly right. Those same people (on both sides of the aisle) won't even discuss Social Security reform, even though it's desperately needed. Immigrants can help support Social Security.

There will be a reckoning within the next two decades on immigration. We'll be practically begging for immigrants, along with other developed nations. I'd prefer we be proactive and attract new people now. We should increase legal immigration by at least one-third.

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