halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, mugtang said: This isn’t anything like the shit show the Kavanaugh hearings were. Dems are smart to stay on message with the ACA and not attack ACB personally. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 ACB just said removing the mandate would still allow the ACA to stand. There you go dems. The ACA is not in any danger by the SCOTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 ACB on the law, under appearance of bias, it is a thing and there is also a practice of consultation with the Justices before recusal. This woman is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 This is a really, really good hearing. Democrats treating ACB with the utmost respect (even if not believing what she says). Everybody acting with the utmost professionalism. For the first time in a while, I am proud of the way our politicians are conducting themselves. Good job everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtang Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: ACB on the law, under appearance of bias, it is a thing and there is also a practice of consultation with the Justices before recusal. This woman is fair. But all women are going to end up like this! Just ask Spartacus: 2 Quote thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, mugtang said: But all women are going to end up like this! Just ask Spartacus: Plz read the article on the challenge to the ACA so we can all laugh at how insane it is. Nobody is laughing with me, about something I think is funny, and it makes me sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Jesus ACB looks like one of the worlds most elite academics trying to explain things way over the head to a bunch of people who can barely string sentences together. Oh....wait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocoolnamejim Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Amy....just a hint. The answer is no. Unequivocally no. In a democracy, presidents don't get to hold elections when they feel like it at a time most convenient to them. A gentle reminder that this is the ideologue that the GOP is ramming into a lifetime appointment because they can't win fair elections. Someone who won't commit to not letting a president pick and choose when he has elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said: Amy....just a hint. The answer is no. Unequivocally no. In a democracy, presidents don't get to hold elections when they feel like it at a time most convenient to them. A gentle reminder that this is the ideologue that the GOP is ramming into a lifetime appointment because they can't win fair elections. Someone who won't commit to not letting a president pick and choose when he has elections. That's not fair at all. She has never written or gave an opinion on such a matter. That was her saying I can't give an off the cuff response to a question I have not thoughtfully considered. The Congress sets when the leader of the free world gets to be elected but if say the DRPK nuked US assets in the SCS, yeah the POTUS could delay the election, just not unilaterally. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocoolnamejim Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said: That's not fair at all. She has never written or gave an opinion on such a matter. That was her saying I can't give an off the cuff response to a question I have not thoughtfully considered. The Congress sets when the leader of the free world gets to be elected but if say the DRPK nuked US assets in the SCS, yeah the POTUS could delay the election. Horse shit. And, frankly, you know it is deep down. In the absurdly unlikely hypothetical situation that you posit, naturally positions would need to be reexamined. But the "off the cuff" response shouldn't be "I need to consult" it should be "elected leaders don't get to choose when they have to be reelected". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, toonkee said: Haven't watched a ton but from what I have watched ACB has handled herself and the nonsense quite well. I haven't watched a second of it. Have the Democrats done anything dumber than what would have been expected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocoolnamejim Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, NVGiant said: I haven't watched a second of it. Have the Democrats done anything dumber than what would have been expected? I've only watched a tiny bit because this is a predetermined outcome, but in general they've focused on the Affordable Care Act, that it will be struck down and the preexisting conditions part along with it, during the middle of a pandemic. But otherwise it's been political theater. The GOP CAN do it, so they WILL do it, hypocrisy be damned. But, that aside, I think Dems' chosen line of attack has been decent if not likely to change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, nocoolnamejim said: Horse shit. And, frankly, you know it is deep down. In the absurdly unlikely hypothetical situation that you posit, naturally positions would need to be reexamined. But the "off the cuff" response shouldn't be "I need to consult" it should be "elected leaders don't get to choose when they have to be reelected". You do realize she is working without notes, right? The senators are not. Saying, I would need to consult and to think and hear litigants is very fair. Given her textualist stance there should be no doubt how she would rule. Unless you are suggesting her jurisprudence is impacted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, NVGiant said: I haven't watched a second of it. Have the Democrats done anything dumber than what would have been expected? No. Democrats have done an outstanding job. They are just 30 IQ points below her and they know it, she knows it and everybody watching it knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said: I've only watched a tiny bit because this is a predetermined outcome, but in general they've focused on the Affordable Care Act, that it will be struck down and the preexisting conditions part along with it, during the middle of a pandemic. But otherwise it's been political theater. The GOP CAN do it, so they WILL do it, hypocrisy be damned. But, that aside, I think Dems' chosen line of attack has been decent if not likely to change anything. That's good. If Dems talk about anything other than the ACA and hypocrisy then they really don't deserve to win in November. They were going to lose this battle no matter what, but they don't have to lose the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said: No. Democrats have done an outstanding job. Well, hell, that's a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said: I've only watched a tiny bit because this is a predetermined outcome, but in general they've focused on the Affordable Care Act, that it will be struck down and the preexisting conditions part along with it, during the middle of a pandemic. But otherwise it's been political theater. The GOP CAN do it, so they WILL do it, hypocrisy be damned. But, that aside, I think Dems' chosen line of attack has been decent if not likely to change anything. Homie you should give your thoughts on the ACA thread I started and read the article. ACA is not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtang Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: No. Democrats have done an outstanding job. They are just 30 IQ points below her and they know it, she knows it and everybody watching it knows it. I think everybody on that committee is 30 IQ points below her, GOP and Dem alike. 1 Quote thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Not paying attention to this, and not really interested in commenting to any great extent. Will eventually respond with (vicious ferocity! Perhaps a duel!) to the attack on my person over court packing (Pack that Court!!!) on the other thread. But for now I want to point out the one thing I got out of all this. I like Senator Gary Peters. I just donated to his campaign. I just sent his campaign a note. People should listen to him. I don't look forward to more women like his wife losing reproductive function or dying. But, it is what it is. https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a34339956/senator-gary-peters-abortion/ 1 Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtang Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I like her answer to Blumenthal regarding IVF treatment. Quote thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...