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53 minutes ago, Spaztecs said:

You are truly a dick head to believe that you, a male, should have say over a womens uterus.

I don't give a shit what a woman does with her uterus. However, as a human being I have every right to care about the human-being's life that is growing inside of it. 

If that makes me a dickhead in the eyes of people that justify murder than so be it. Murder for the sake of a woman's convenience is a moral wrong. --and for what? So a women can party it up or advance her career by waiting to settle down and have kids at 30-40 yrs old. Then be agonized when her baby is stricken with a mental or physical condition because they rolled the dice on a later in life baby and the exponential risks it carries. 

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14 hours ago, bornontheblue said:

 

 

For a guy who watches news all day, I find this hard to believe 

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5 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

I don't give a shit what a woman does with her uterus. However, as a human being I have every right to care about the human-being's life that is growing inside of it. 

If that makes me a dickhead in the eyes of people that justify murder than so be it. Murder for the sake of a woman's convenience is a moral wrong. --and for what? So a women can party it up or advance her career by waiting to settle down and have kids at 30-40 yrs old. Then be agonized when her baby is stricken with a mental or physical condition because they rolled the dice on a later in life baby and the exponential risks it carries. 

It's her body. Like it or not. 

At least I, in spite of being the dickhead I am, admit that even though I don't like abortion either, its not my decision.

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12 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

I don't give a shit what a woman does with her uterus. However, as a human being I have every right to care about the human-being's life that is growing inside of it. 

If that makes me a dickhead in the eyes of people that justify murder than so be it. Murder for the sake of a woman's convenience is a moral wrong. --and for what? So a women can party it up or advance her career by waiting to settle down and have kids at 30-40 yrs old. Then be agonized when her baby is stricken with a mental or physical condition because they rolled the dice on a later in life baby and the exponential risks it carries. 

So you are advocating restricting what age women can get pregnant also????

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

Those are the current restrictions constrained by Roe v Wade.   Here is their latest passed law they hope will make it to the Supreme Court.....   tell me again how I am lying???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Life_Protection_Act
 

The Human Life Protection Act, also known as House Bill 314 (HB 314) and the Alabama abortion ban,[4] is an Alabama statute enacted on May 15, 2019, that was set to impose a near-total ban on abortion in the state starting in November 2019, but a legal challenge against the bill has delayed implementation. The bill was passed in both chambers of the Alabama Legislature in a party-line vote and signed by Republican governor Kay Ivey. Under the Human Life Protection Act, a doctor who performs a banned abortion in the state of Alabama would be guilty of a Class A felony, and could be sentenced to life imprisonment. Several proposed amendments that would have allowed abortions in cases of rape and incest were rejected. The bill's sponsor, Republican representative Terri Collins, has stated that she hopes the law will lead to a legal challenge in which Roe v. Wade is overturned.

Yes, the Human Life Protection act is based on these restrictions which I will post again are extremely reasonable:

RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTION
In Alabama, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of September 1, 2020:

-A patient must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage the patient from having an abortion, and then wait 48 hours before the procedure is provided. -- wow 48 hour counseling to make sure the mom isn't making a rash decision
-Health plans offered in the state’s health exchange under the Affordable Care Act can only cover abortion in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.-- Pay for your own mistakes. Taxpayers shouldn't be burdened by this. 
-The use of telemedicine to administer medication abortion is prohibited.--no more video conference abortions. Drive your ass to a clinic. 
-The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided. This is obvious
-Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.--Pay for your own murder, don't burden the taxpayer because you didn't want to use a rubber. 
-A patient must undergo an ultrasound before obtaining an abortion; the provider must offer the patient the option to view the image.---A last ditch effort to appeal to a mother's moral dignity and take a look at the life growing inside of her before killing it
-An abortion may be performed at 20 or more weeks postfertilization (22 weeks after the last menstrual period) only in cases of life endangerment or severely compromised physical health. This law is based on the assertion, which is inconsistent with scientific evidence and has been rejected by the medical community, that a fetus can feel pain at that point in pregnancy. --no abortions after 22 weeks which the definition of  "life endangering"  is becoming very ambiguous w/ pro-abortion people to the point of loophole
-The state requires abortion clinics to meet unnecessary and burdensome standards related to their physical plant, equipment and staffing.- Love to see this being spun into negative. High standards for an abortion clinic's equipment, staffing, and plant is not a bad thing. Mostly hygienic. 

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5 hours ago, retrofade said:

 

So I think that's Murkowski, Grassley, Romney, Graham, and Collins that have all said within the last two years that they would not seat a replacement Justice before the election.

A Romney spokesman said that was fake news. 

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3 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

Yes, the Human Life Protection act is based on these restrictions which I will post again are extremely reasonable:

RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTION
In Alabama, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of September 1, 2020:

-A patient must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage the patient from having an abortion, and then wait 48 hours before the procedure is provided. -- wow 48 hour counseling to make sure the mom isn't making a rash decision
-Health plans offered in the state’s health exchange under the Affordable Care Act can only cover abortion in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.-- Pay for your own mistakes. Taxpayers shouldn't be burdened by this. 
-The use of telemedicine to administer medication abortion is prohibited.--no more video conference abortions. Drive your ass to a clinic. 
-The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided. This is obvious
-Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.--Pay for your own murder, don't burden the taxpayer because you didn't want to use a rubber. 
-A patient must undergo an ultrasound before obtaining an abortion; the provider must offer the patient the option to view the image.---A last ditch effort to appeal to a mother's moral dignity and take a look at the life growing inside of her before killing it
-An abortion may be performed at 20 or more weeks postfertilization (22 weeks after the last menstrual period) only in cases of life endangerment or severely compromised physical health. This law is based on the assertion, which is inconsistent with scientific evidence and has been rejected by the medical community, that a fetus can feel pain at that point in pregnancy. --no abortions after 22 weeks which the definition of  "life endangering"  is becoming very ambiguous w/ pro-abortion people to the point of loophole
-The state requires abortion clinics to meet unnecessary and burdensome standards related to their physical plant, equipment and staffing.- Love to see this being spun into negative. High standards for an abortion clinic's equipment, staffing, and plant is not a bad thing. Mostly hygienic. 

Goodness.  Go back and read the actual 2019 bill!

you are quoting existing law not the 2019 Human Life Protection Act!

That act bans abortions in all cases except for the life of the mother.   Their are not exceptions for rape, incest or viability.  (which btw, if you truly believe a zygote is a human life is the correct opinion)   But’s it’s clear you are just spouting your propaganda without actually reading anything.

 

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18 hours ago, bornontheblue said:

We are about to go through a political shitstorm unlike no other since the 1860s. 

1. Unfortunately, to turn things around the country needs something which greatly hurts both sides.

2. Ultimately, just like in the 1860s, the blues will be hurt considerably less.

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2 hours ago, Bob said:

No one’s death delights me. She believed in her convictions no matter how misguided they may have been. That’s admirable to a certain degree

She is responsible for many of the Civil Rights you and your wife have.

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

See my response to the @thelawlorfaithful, I would expect a number in the south and a handful in the Midwest.  And no,  I don’t think I’m over reacting at all.  

 

I guess we will see. I doubt we get 50 votes anyway.

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1 minute ago, sactowndog said:

So you are advocating restricting what age women can get pregnant also????

No. Just outlying the risks in women aborting children while they're young (and their eggs and reproductive health is at it's peak)  vs. waiting to be 30+ and be at higher risk for the child having mental or physical birth defects. If anyone is advocating what age women should have kids, it's liberals. It's been a very highly promoted 'progressive' ideal for women to "live it up" or advance their careers in their 20s and even early 30s and have kids later in life. It's actually a sick joke, as many of these women end of not having kids at all because most men prefer a younger woman to have children with.. I used to get a twinge in my stomach when I was on dating apps and I see a 35 year old chick with "Wants kids someday" in her profile. 

 

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A couple of things here.

1) RBG was selfish for not retiring during Obama’s second term when her health started to deteriorate.  Say what you want about the rest of her tenure on the Supreme Court, that was exceptionally selfish and stupid. 
 

2) Tearing the country apart to seat a Supreme Court justice quickly is incredibly stupid and short sighted.  

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2 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Has Graham said what he will do?  I know what he said in 2016 but hypocrisy isn’t exactly new for politicians. 

Yes. 
 

 

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Just now, sactowndog said:

What makes you say that? 

What did the last guy get 52 votes. It’s just my uneducated guess. Plus how contentious this will be. This will be the last one on steroids. Especially if Biden wins I don’t think they get the 50 votes. And I doubt they can get this done before the Election. 

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1 minute ago, Rebels18 said:

No. Just outlying the risks in women aborting children while they're young (and their eggs and reproductive health is at it's peak)  vs. waiting to be 30+ and be at higher risk for the child having mental or physical birth defects. If anyone is advocating what age women should have kids, it's liberals. It's been a very highly promoted 'progressive' ideal for women to "live it up" or advance their careers in their 20s and even early 30s and have kids later in life. It's actually a sick joke, as many of these women end of not having kids at all because most men prefer a younger woman to have children with.. I used to get a twinge in my stomach when I was on dating apps and I see a 35 year old chick with "Wants kids someday" in her profile. 

 

Wow quite judgemental aren’t we.

in my opinion, I only see two “moral” options:

1) abortion is taking human life and therefore no exception can be made except in the case of self defense “life of the mother”

2) when human life begins prior to birth is a matter religious belief and the US doesn’t impose religious belief on others.  

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2 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Has Graham said what he will do?  I know what he said in 2016 but hypocrisy isn’t exactly new for politicians. 

What’s interesting is that Graham isn’t that far ahead in the polls, in the most recent Quinnipiac poll he and Harrison were actually tied. Given his comments in 2016 its possible he could pay a big political price for backing an effort to fill the seat. 

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4 minutes ago, mugtang said:

A couple of things here.

1) RBG was selfish for not retiring during Obama’s second term when her health started to deteriorate.  Say what you want about the rest of her tenure on the Supreme Court, that was exceptionally selfish and stupid. 
 

2) Tearing the country apart to seat a Supreme Court justice quickly is incredibly stupid and short sighted.  

I agree on both parts.  Make it an election option 

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