smltwnrckr Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Here's a sane libertarian take. https://reason.com/2020/09/14/contrary-to-what-ted-cruz-thinks-prepubescent-twerking-does-not-make-cuties-illegal/ https://reason.com/2020/09/15/cuties-and-its-critics-both-decry-the-sexualization-of-children/ Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said: Here's a sane libertarian take. https://reason.com/2020/09/14/contrary-to-what-ted-cruz-thinks-prepubescent-twerking-does-not-make-cuties-illegal/ https://reason.com/2020/09/15/cuties-and-its-critics-both-decry-the-sexualization-of-children/ That's not sane. There are a lot of insane libertarians. This guy is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecSU Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 LMAO, the movie/director/Halfman are all on the same side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, AztecSU said: LMAO, the movie/director/Halfman are all on the same side. Sorry, the "we only sexualize children to show how wrong it is to sexualize children" thing is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: I know enough facts about it to know that my outrage is justified. They expose the breasts of an 11 year old. That is child porn. I remember they said that about the movie Kids way back when. Then I watched it. It was incredibly uncomfortable, which was the point. The creators wanted to show the depravity of urban teenage life. I didn’t think the movie was great, but I did see what they were trying to do once I watched it. I have no idea what what the point of this series is, or if it hits the mark, I’m not sure if the pitchforks are warranted or not, but I don’t think your outrage comes with context either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said: That's not sane. There are a lot of insane libertarians. This guy is one. If you think Jacob Sullum is one of the insane libertarians, I don't know what to tell you. Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said: If you think Jacob Sullum is one of the insane libertarians, I don't know what to tell you. His take here is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: His take here is insane. No, no it's not. Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: 11 year old kids should not be sexualized is a hot take now? No. But I believe in the power of art to get us to confront uncomfortable truths. I don’t know if this hits the mark, but I don’t think you do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, NVGiant said: I remember they said that about the movie Kids way back when. Then I watched it. It was incredibly uncomfortable, which was the point. The creators wanted to show the depravity of urban teenage life. I didn’t think the movie was great, but I did see what they were trying to do once I watched it. I have no idea what what the point of this series is, or if it hits the mark, I’m not sure if the pitchforks are warranted or not, but I don’t think your outrage comes with context either. I think they could have made this movie without the grossness, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 Just now, smltwnrckr said: No, no it's not. Yes, yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said: No, no it's not. Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said: Yes, yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndroidAggie Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The problem is labeling valid criticism of the documentary as conspiracy nonsense. Better not criticize this child porn, don't want to be considered a QANON type. i would venture to say that crappy criticism, even if the subject is as gross as this 'documentary,' is still crappy criticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: I think they could have made this movie without the grossness, no? I don’t know man. As awful and uncomfortable as it was. the grossness definitely made the point clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, NVGiant said: I don’t know man. As awful and uncomfortable as it was. the grossness definitely made the point clear. I don't think you need to go for shock value to make the point that child sexualization is wrong, clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I just don't want to watch it. I already get sexualizing little girls is gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridgeview2 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Sorry, the "we only sexualize children to show how wrong it is to sexualize children" thing is crazy. I'm probably way off on the mark with this, but this is just my opinion. I've been reading a lot of articles and reviews for this film which opened Pandora's box of controversy with friends I know talking about it. Seems to me that this director tried to be like Mel Brooks with a controversial topic, but completely missed the mark with his message and failed spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, toonkee said: I just don't want to watch it. I already get sexualizing little girls is gross. I’m down with this view, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...