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18 hours ago, soupslam1 said:

 

Whoever said Trump was unbeatable and whoever said no one is racist or bigoted? Please link whomever made those statements. 

 

Well the title of this thread is "why trump will win again" and not "why Trump may win again"

@NorCalCoug likes to downplay racism and bigotry in the country (like the laughable claim that birtherism wasn't racism). I simply asked if he thinks President Trump is a bigot. If the answer is yes, then that does speak to a certain level of bigotry in the country since we elected him, no?

 

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20 minutes ago, sebasour said:

 

Well the title of this thread is "why trump will win again" and not "why Trump may win again"

@NorCalCoug likes to downplay racism and bigotry in the country (like the laughable claim that birtherism wasn't racism). I simply asked if he thinks President Trump is a bigot. If the answer is yes, then that does speak to a certain level of bigotry in the country since we elected him, no?

 

I do think he is unbearable. 

^^^ auto correct but it's a propos so I'm not fixing it. 

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Just now, AndroidAggie said:

I do think he is unbearable. 

^^^ auto correct but it's a propos so I'm not fixing it. 

 

Haha the typo fits.

 

I don't think theres a single objective metric that has him as the favorite, let alone unbeatable? What is your % chance that Biden wins?

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Just now, sebasour said:

 

Haha the typo fits.

 

I don't think theres a single objective metric that has him as the favorite, let alone unbeatable? What is your % chance that Biden wins?

I'm not going off a statistical analysis, here, so I'm just gonna say "low". I just don't feel like the cultural barometer has changed. There are so many shocking things trump has said, done, and implied that the population is inured to new ones. I don't see any galvanizing events that are recent and well timed. Coronavirus, economy, military <> trump relations, embarrassing interviews are old and we are fatigued. Race relation protest and marches are only motivating to a small section of the population. The rest think the latest black person to be butchered "should have listened and followed instructions." or that BLM is Marxist property destroying hatemongers. 

I would love to be wrong

I will vote Biden, tho, fwiw

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43 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said:

I'm not going off a statistical analysis, here, so I'm just gonna say "low". I just don't feel like the cultural barometer has changed. There are so many shocking things trump has said, done, and implied that the population is inured to new ones. I don't see any galvanizing events that are recent and well timed. Coronavirus, economy, military <> trump relations, embarrassing interviews are old and we are fatigued. Race relation protest and marches are only motivating to a small section of the population. The rest think the latest black person to be butchered "should have listened and followed instructions." or that BLM is Marxist property destroying hatemongers. 

I would love to be wrong

I will vote Biden, tho, fwiw

 

I don't think there was a big shift from 2012 to 2016 either when we went from electing Obama twice to Trump. I think Trump just won a super close election against a really unpopular candidate.

 

When I look at consistently poor approval ratings though and awful poll numbers, I think it is sticking to Trump.

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On 9/5/2020 at 6:38 PM, AndroidAggie said:

book it.  election results will be close, andthose of us on the left will have suspicions with weak evidence about the integrity of the election but the reality is it'll be because the people who like trump like trump.  and there are more of them in the united states than not.  nothing's going to change their  because trump isn't going to change.

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/2/21409364/trump-approval-rating-2020-election-voters-coronavirus-convention-polls

When Michael Tesler, a political scientist at the University of California Irvine, tries to explain “the amazing stability of Trump’s approval” in his classes, he starts with a question. He asks his students if there’s anything Trump could do to make them support him. And he’s invariably met by a sea of shaking heads. “If you went into Trump’s presidency thinking he’s a racist, sexist, xenophobic, immoral, narcissistic, corrupt, and incompetent person — beliefs held by most Clinton voters — then there’s literally almost nothing he could do to change your mind,” says Tesler.

The same is true in reverse. “If you see Trump as ‘the protector of Western Civilization,’ as Charlie Kirk called him the other night at the RNC, or the protector of white America, as Desmond King and Rogers Smith have called him, defending cherished (white Christian) American values from atheist, left-wing socialists who want to take your guns and put Cory Booker in charge of diversifying your neighborhoods, then there’s almost nothing that would make you abandon him,” Tesler continues.

I think this is definitely true of me.  I don't like Trump because of who he is.  Unless he changes who is, there's no way I could see myself voting for him.  That doesn't mean I think all of the policies he champions or the appointees he...  sigh...  appoints...  are all total and complete failures.  I'm pretty hard set against the guy so I'm loath to find much good in what he does and I think that personally he has precisely zero redeeming qualities.  I can see how those who like him are just plain going to like him seeing as how my mind's made up to dislike him.

Where does that leave us?  Do those who like him have a reasonable take on who he is and how he treats people?  Is their judgment of character sound?  Is mine?  I'd assert my take on his personality and character are judgments made with good conscience, but that's just an assertion.  I'm having a hard time qualifying it in terms divorced from emotion.

 

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My opinion of Trump would change if he stopped scapegoating immigrants, actually for once negotiated with Congress instead of issuing executive orders and didn’t try to politicize the DOD and DOJ.  Those things are foundational to our country and Trump is currently destroying them.

Lots of Presidents are assholes but can be good Presidents.   Their is a big difference between a bad person and a want to be authoritarian.  Trump falls in the later category.

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On 9/5/2020 at 7:37 PM, ridgeview2 said:

Democrats went off the deep end calling Republicans enemies of the state. That solves nothing and will only embolden Trumpers and other right wingers to solidify their support. The whole "if you're not with us, then you're against us" mentality is what's ruining this country and I'm over it. 

Doesn’t that go both ways.  Look at the respective conventions.  I think your bias is showing...

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23 hours ago, CV147 said:

Really I will just vote my conscience. I will vote for the candidate that best represents my views. I don't care if he or she wins or loses. This isn't about picking a horse race; it's a representative democracy.

Assuming we still have a representative democracy in 4 years.  Yes it’s a stretch but Trump is clearly an authoritarian who is politicizing and demanding loyalty from DOJ and the DOD unseen as long as I have been alive.   

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19 hours ago, 818SUDSFan said:

(1) Not sure what this means. If by that you say you favor pulling out of the UN, I very much disagree.

(2) The windmills are indeed inefficient. However, there's much to be said about solar power where there's enough sunlight. Obviously there are places which lack sufficient sunlight but the federal government owns millions of acres of desert land which could be utilized to build more solar farms to transport energy to those areas.

(3) Joe Biden is the Democratic nominee, not Bernie Sanders. Unless he's changed his position and I didn't hear about it, Biden favors allowing those like me who have private health care they're pleased with to retain it.

(4) Biden is absolutely not in favor of defunding the police so please stop listening to Trump, Pence, etc on that.

(5) To me, this depends on what you mean. If you mean the current gun laws which allow dozens of right- and left-wing militia people to carry semi-automatic weapons to a public event like the Kentucky Derby, we definitely disagree. Otherwise, I'm pretty much willing to accept things as they are.

(6) Again, Sanders isn't the nominee. Biden merely favors some sort of plan for tuition-less community college.

(7) Again, I don't know what you mean by "excessive" regulation. However, if you mean absolutely no restriction on industries which pollute the environment, we definitely don't see eye to eye on that either.

(8) This is true of the Sanders/AOC wing of the party but, again, they aren't the nominee.

(9) That's just plain silly. However, I warn you. If Trump is reelected, the more he continues to get the support of the Senate for deregulating polluting industries and readjustment of the income tax system to the benefit of the 1% over the rest of Americans, the more it persuades me that we need the type of socialist economy they have in Scandinavia.

It doesn’t matter.  He is going to ignorantly believe whatever his side tells him.  Teams and shit.

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17 hours ago, CV147 said:

I think Trump is a bigot, a narcissist, a xenophobe and probably a sociopath.

I don't buy that he's a white supremacist.

Biden, on the other hand, is a establishment Democrat puppet with Alzheimer's. Honestly, a vote for Biden is probably more a vote for Harris, because I doubt the guy would be fit to go four years as CiC.

He's probably a closeted bigot, with his remarks regarding blacks and Indian convenience store owners.

Both Biden and Trump are disgusting in how they treat the opposite sex. Biden perhaps more-so because he gets handsy with little girls.

So now you are parroting the QAnon pedophile shit?

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13 hours ago, toonkee said:

Stephen Miller is literally a white supremacist. He literally is working to persevere white demographical dominance of the United States. That's his bag baby and it's not that hard to look up.

Here's an intro but there are many writers and sources that back this up with a google search.

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/17/780231676/stephen-miller-and-white-supremacy

True and Miller has strong influence over Trump.

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3 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Assuming we still have a representative democracy in 4 years.  Yes it’s a stretch but Trump is clearly an authoritarian who is politicizing and demanding loyalty from DOJ and the DOD unseen as long as I have been alive.   

Perhaps since FDR and his attempts to politicize the SCOTUS.

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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9 hours ago, Nevada Convert said:

Mocking yourself isn’t exactly the path to wellness, dear friend. Think of yourself as having a Trump homophobia. There’s no need to fear men in power with orange skin color. That fear is irrational, and you need to except those that are different than you in the name of diversity, tolerance and love. 💕

TDS! TDS! TDS! :USFlag:

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8 hours ago, Spaztecs said:

Perhaps since FDR and his attempts to politicize the SCOTUS.

What Roosevelt did to Japanese American citizens was despicable.  We have not had a national shame like that until Trump turning away legal green card holders at the border and separating children from parents to make a point.  

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19 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Yeah that was exactly my thought.  FDR was our first authoritarian President.  Trump is the 2nd.   

Woodrow Wilson and Honest Abe would like to have a word. Andrew Jackson outright told SCOTUS to shove it. 

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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