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18 minutes ago, NevadaFan said:

Maybe you can volunteer you and your loved ones to get it and then tell us your story?

Am I volunteering my loved ones every time I put my kids in the car? Was everyone acting irresponsible in a world full of viruses, many of them deadly in the right situation, before we ever heard the words Covid-19?

Not trying to start shit, just asking a question. The disporpotionate amount of fear associated with this virus seems ludicrous. We keep hearing all this talk in the media about positive cases and new clusters of people testing positive.......and so? For most people this means nothing, for many they don't even feel ill or different than any other day. And for the majority of the rest they suffer some mild symptoms and life goes on. Yet we seem to equate testing positive as some sort of death sentence because of what has been portrayed largely by the media and politicians.

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Temporary interruptions to practices are going to have impacts on any teams attempting to play.

Tulsa indefinitely suspended football practices after 8 players tested positive and 8 other players who had contact with them are now in 14 day quarantine quarantine.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29681868/tulsa-halts-football-workouts-indefinitely-eight-positive-covid-19-tests

I haven't seen any other information but assuming the practice suspension matches the 14 day quarantine that means practices resume the end of August.

The first game for Tulsa is September 12 at Oklahoma State, less than 2 weeks after potentially resuming team practices.

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13 minutes ago, madmartigan said:

Additionally, only a select few NFL players will ever play 20-24 games consecutively. Preseason games are 95% 2nd and 3rd stringers who don't play much in the regular season anyway. As far as the differences in recovery for your average NFL player vs College player.. NFL players are the elite of the elite athletes of the world. You don't make the NFL without being an absolute mutant. The average college player is still a great athlete, but not nearly the caliber (or recovery standards) of an NFL player with many fewer resources at their disposal. 

What about jeff Brohm's plan. Hows it look. it increases the games played over 2 season for a naverage team from 1.6 games a month to 1.8 games a month. Hardly a terrifying number. also reduces the number of contact days over the 2 years from 144 to 62 for bowl playing teams. One day of padded practice a week during the season. Seems like a plan to me.

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4 hours ago, madmartigan said:

Define "struggled". Sure the MLB has had cases/outbreaks. If the goal is to get to zero cases of a highly contagious virus, then sure, all organizations will "struggle". We do the best we can to mitigate the spread (especially to at-risk populations) but eventually we have to accept the virus is going to spread and 99.6 percent of people will survive. Also, what is going to change between now and Spring? This virus is going to be around forever if the experts are to be believed. 

Baseball games can be shuffled around and rescheduled fairly easily, not so much with football. To date, 33 baseball games have been canceled. That would be a nightmare with football. Also, I think we are going to have better treatment protocols and possibly two or three vaccines ready by March. My penis is bigger than yours. Push the 2021 season back a few weeks. 

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1 hour ago, TrueAg said:

Am I volunteering my loved ones every time I put my kids in the car? Was everyone acting irresponsible in a world full of viruses, many of them deadly in the right situation, before we ever heard the words Covid-19?

Not trying to start shit, just asking a question. The disporpotionate amount of fear associated with this virus seems ludicrous. We keep hearing all this talk in the media about positive cases and new clusters of people testing positive.......and so? For most people this means nothing, for many they don't even feel ill or different than any other day. And for the majority of the rest they suffer some mild symptoms and life goes on. Yet we seem to equate testing positive as some sort of death sentence because of what has been portrayed largely by the media and politicians.

I have no idea how dangerous this is or not. Neither do you. But Nevada had 32 deaths yesterday. I suppose you can say they were old, or weak or whatever you want to say but 32 people still died.

But Bob not only knows that it’s safe, but that it’s more safe than playing X number of football games in a single season. So I figure folks like Bob should serve themselves up because Bob knows more than everyone about everything. Bob can be the hero Bob is in his own mind and important things like football can be played. Only 12 games in one year of course. 

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1 hour ago, TrueAg said:

Am I volunteering my loved ones every time I put my kids in the car? Was everyone acting irresponsible in a world full of viruses, many of them deadly in the right situation, before we ever heard the words Covid-19?

Not trying to start shit, just asking a question. The disporpotionate amount of fear associated with this virus seems ludicrous. We keep hearing all this talk in the media about positive cases and new clusters of people testing positive.......and so? For most people this means nothing, for many they don't even feel ill or different than any other day. And for the majority of the rest they suffer some mild symptoms and life goes on. Yet we seem to equate testing positive as some sort of death sentence because of what has been portrayed largely by the media and politicians.

I am not trying to start anything either, but just a reminder.  Year to date this has killed over 170k people in the US and it's only August.  This despite all the measures we put into place, including the eventual shut down of our economy for a short period of time.  Covid could end up killing 300k people this year and will be only behind heart disease and cancer for cause of death in the US.  I would think if anything our approach as a nation wasn't aggressive enough,  especially early on in comparison to other first world countries, and given the current numbers it seems odd to be upset over not being able to watch college sports for a few months.

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The majority of people I’ve spoke with, that want life to move on as normal in a covid world, are arguing this... the issue to them isn't that young people catch covid, they will. The issue is the survival rate for young people/athletes, that do catch it. Also, they are disregarding some studies coming out, about the lingering effects of catching covid in regards to how it affects the lungs and heart and other body parts.

Losing 1-2% or so of those infected young people/athletes is worth the risk to them gor having sports back, but on the other hand, they don’t want to take grandma/grandpa to a local casino or even out and about in town, because they may not survive covid, that’s unacceptable? 

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19 minutes ago, LoboMan59 said:

The majority of people I’ve spoke with, that want life to move on as normal in a covid world, are arguing this... the issue to them isn't that young people catch covid, they will. The issue is the survival rate for young people/athletes, that do catch it. Also, they are disregarding some studies coming out, about the lingering effects of catching covid in regards to how it affects the lungs and heart and other body parts.

Losing 1-2% or so of those infected young people/athletes is worth the risk to them gor having sports back, but on the other hand, they don’t want to take grandma/grandpa to a local casino or even out and about in town, because they may not survive covid, that’s unacceptable? 

It's called selfishness.

 

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2 hours ago, alum93 said:

I am not trying to start anything either, but just a reminder.  Year to date this has killed over 170k people in the US and it's only August.  This despite all the measures we put into place, including the eventual shut down of our economy for a short period of time.  Covid could end up killing 300k people this year and will be only behind heart disease and cancer for cause of death in the US.  I would think if anything our approach as a nation wasn't aggressive enough,  especially early on in comparison to other first world countries, and given the current numbers it seems odd to be upset over not being able to watch college sports for a few months.

I'm not sure anyone really knows how many people have died from Covid. The minute that hospitals and nursing homes were financially incentivized in the US for handling or "treating" Covid patients the numbers and reporting lost all relevance. How many less people would have passed this year if they did not contract the virus but would have died in the next 2-3 years due to the conditions they already suffered from? How many of those that have passed this year would have had some other cause listed as their death this year if treating Covid patients was not incentivized? No one really knows. All we do know is we are constantly being reminded that we have this scoreboard over our head and it shows more deaths every day. There is no frame of reference given for these deaths, just graphs and charts and media pumping non-stop about the scoreboard and how we are losing.

First the message was we must "flatten the curve" but when we did that the message shifted to there must be no positive cases recorded. I just think it's silly to believe we are somehow going to live in a disease and virus free world. We never did before yet the media would try to have us believe we somehow did.

I'm disappointed that there will be no MWC football this season but I am not in some rage about it, nor do I think student athletes should be put at any more risk than other students. I do think being a part of semi-isolated group in a regimented system where players are being tested regularly is a better scenario for their overall well being as compared to being a student in the general population or attending classes from home where every individual is located some place different and associating with many more people from different places. Then again, I don't think the decision to cancel Fall sports was made wholly out of concern for the health of the student athlete - it was fear driven like everything else these days. No one wants to be the one to get sued.

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33 minutes ago, TrueAg said:

I'm not sure anyone really knows how many people have died from Covid. The minute that hospitals and nursing homes were financially incentivized in the US for handling or "treating" Covid patients the numbers and reporting lost all relevance. How many less people would have passed this year if they did not contract the virus but would have died in the next 2-3 years due to the conditions they already suffered from? How many of those that have passed this year would have had some other cause listed as their death this year if treating Covid patients was not incentivized? No one really knows. All we do know is we are constantly being reminded that we have this scoreboard over our head and it shows more deaths every day. There is no frame of reference given for these deaths, just graphs and charts and media pumping non-stop about the scoreboard and how we are losing.

First the message was we must "flatten the curve" but when we did that the message shifted to there must be no positive cases recorded. I just think it's silly to believe we are somehow going to live in a disease and virus free world. We never did before yet the media would try to have us believe we somehow did.

I'm disappointed that there will be no MWC football this season but I am not in some rage about it, nor do I think student athletes should be put at any more risk than other students. I do think being a part of semi-isolated group in a regimented system where players are being tested regularly is a better scenario for their overall well being as compared to being a student in the general population or attending classes from home where every individual is located some place different and associating with many more people from different places. Then again, I don't think the decision to cancel Fall sports was made wholly out of concern for the health of the student athlete - it was fear driven like everything else these days. No one wants to be the one to get sued.

Well said.  I really get irritated the most when people remind me that the positive case counts keep climbing, as though that's an emergency.  Did someone anywhere expect the positive case counts to go down?   Is math really that hard?

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1 hour ago, Headbutt said:

Well said.  I really get irritated the most when people remind me that the positive case counts keep climbing, as though that's an emergency.  Did someone anywhere expect the positive case counts to go down?   Is math really that hard?

Kinda sounds like what trump said. We have more cases because we test more. So if the media numbers reports stop, and it holds at 170k from here on out, and no more deaths are reported, would that then not be an emergency for you? I'm very painfully aware of the numbers, and some of you all know why. But trying to say that people would be dying of other causes, 2 or 3 years down the road anyway had they not gotten covid, so the numbers now being quoted are somehow skewed for that reason, that's  some voodoo math right there. 

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6 minutes ago, LoboMan59 said:

Kinda sounds like what trump said. We have more cases because we test more. So if the media numbers reports stop, and it holds at 170k from here on out, and no more deaths are reported, would that then not be an emergency for you? I'm very painfully aware of the numbers, and some of you all know why. But trying to say that people would be dying of other causes, 2 or 3 years down the road anyway had they not gotten covid, so the numbers now being quoted are somehow skewed for that reason, that's  some voodoo math right there. 

So you either didn't read, or didn't comprehend my post.

Edit:  That was a little short of me, sorry.

I'm not being callous about the deaths attributed to this virus.  They are tragic and much more than just numbers on a graph.  My complaint is with the empty headed evening anchor that looks into the camera and says "and the numbers keep rising".  This get's everybody all worked up.  Of course they're rising, they will continue to rise for the next 20 years long after we beat the deadly nature of the virus.  It's not like the positive case count will ever decrease.  Once your in the positive column you can't just leave it, ever.  It sickens me that they take such a relatively non defining statistic to try and continue to foment the panic.  It was a fair thing to look at when the virus was so (statistically) deadly, but things have changed.  Why don't we hear about the dramatic drop in the death rate?  What about the amazingly fast progress in therapeutic treatments?  How about the light speed development of vaccines that appear to be just on the horizon?  Instead, they choose to sensationalize a number that is meaningless, and cannot be reversed, as though as soon as the total number of positive cases drop we're on the way to safety.  And not until that impossibility happens.

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1 minute ago, MWC Tex said:

Wait till we start counting flu cases and deaths!

Yes..you can carry the flu virus and not show symptoms also.

Hopefully, due to the vastly reduced global and domestic travel along with so many wearing masks, social distancing and washing hands more frequently this will be a mild flu season.

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12 hours ago, madmartigan said:

Define "struggled". Sure the MLB has had cases/outbreaks. If the goal is to get to zero cases of a highly contagious virus, then sure, all organizations will "struggle". We do the best we can to mitigate the spread (especially to at-risk populations) but eventually we have to accept the virus is going to spread and 99.6 percent of people will survive. Also, what is going to change between now and Spring? This virus is going to be around forever if the experts are to be believed. 

We'll likely have a vaccine by spring.  Real question, do you live in a cave, because you are using 3 month old talking points?

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The latest deaths per month show that rather than over counting covid deaths we are undercounting. We were over 200k if you used only the monthly death count using a 5% margin of error as a normal out come in comparison of months year to year.

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6 hours ago, JoeBlo said:

The latest deaths per month show that rather than over counting covid deaths we are undercounting. We were over 200k if you used only the monthly death count using a 5% margin of error as a normal out come in comparison of months year to year.

As was posted above, you have to follow the money on that one because even people who died from a car accident with Covid, count as a Covid death. Extra $$$ to the hospital to put death by Covid.

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12 hours ago, TrueAg said:

I'm not sure anyone really knows how many people have died from Covid. The minute that hospitals and nursing homes were financially incentivized in the US for handling or "treating" Covid patients the numbers and reporting lost all relevance. How many less people would have passed this year if they did not contract the virus but would have died in the next 2-3 years due to the conditions they already suffered from? How many of those that have passed this year would have had some other cause listed as their death this year if treating Covid patients was not incentivized? No one really knows. All we do know is we are constantly being reminded that we have this scoreboard over our head and it shows more deaths every day. There is no frame of reference given for these deaths, just graphs and charts and media pumping non-stop about the scoreboard and how we are losing.

First the message was we must "flatten the curve" but when we did that the message shifted to there must be no positive cases recorded. I just think it's silly to believe we are somehow going to live in a disease and virus free world. We never did before yet the media would try to have us believe we somehow did.

I'm disappointed that there will be no MWC football this season but I am not in some rage about it, nor do I think student athletes should be put at any more risk than other students. I do think being a part of semi-isolated group in a regimented system where players are being tested regularly is a better scenario for their overall well being as compared to being a student in the general population or attending classes from home where every individual is located some place different and associating with many more people from different places. Then again, I don't think the decision to cancel Fall sports was made wholly out of concern for the health of the student athlete - it was fear driven like everything else these days. No one wants to be the one to get sued.

Although numbers may indeed be inflated by 'covid+' I think there are also many deaths NOT attributed to covid that should be. People that tested positive, then later had heart attacks/strokes that were not counted as covid, but it was likely fully attributable to their deaths because of the damage it had done. Last week I lost a cousin and his son to covid (both healthy) and my co worker lost her grandmother, and down in Phoenix her uncle and his wife (both in their 40s). This is not the flu, and it isn't fake news. Even if you reduce the death count by 25% of 170,000, it is still an outrageous amount that, had it been addressed early on, would not have caused the devastation both in loss of life and destruction of the economy as it has.

The athletes are at risk because of the myocarditis, which can kill them during physical stress. As much as I'd love to see football, I'd rather not see one kid die because of it.

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9 hours ago, SJ PRIDE said:

We'll likely have a vaccine by spring.  Real question, do you live in a cave, because you are using 3 month old talking points?

An excellent way to persuade someone to your point of view. Well played. 

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