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Rhetoric of mail in vote potential fraud

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Worked pretty well for my wife and I in the primary election. Got our ballots plenty early. Took our time to research our options (which was excellent), filled them out, sealed them up, and I dropped them off in the ballot colletion box outside the county courthouse on the 18th.

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2 hours ago, NevadaFan said:

Is this the smoking gun?

No, but I think it's a proof of concept that if certain people are given the opportunity to cheat mail-in or absentee votes; they will. Janet Reed pre-marked Democrat for hundreds of absentee ballots--and those were only just the ones she got caught for. This is a lady that's worked for democratic congressional candidates before, has ran for a delegate position herself, and was allowed to remain a member of her county's Democratic precinct committee despite the fraud. 

If one person would attempt to do this with absentee ballots, others would too. Its naive to rule-out it couldn't be done with mail-in votes. That criminals like Janet Reed wouldn't harvest unclaimed ballots from mailboxes or vacant addresses and fill them out and submit them. 

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25 minutes ago, Rebels18 said:

No, but I think it's a proof of concept that if certain people are given the opportunity to cheat mail-in or absentee votes; they will. Janet Reed pre-marked Democrat for hundreds of absentee ballots--and those were only just the ones she got caught for. This is a lady that's worked for democratic congressional candidates before, has ran for a delegate position herself, and was allowed to remain a member of her county's Democratic precinct committee despite the fraud. 

If one person would attempt to do this with absentee ballots, others would too. Its naive to rule-out it couldn't be done with mail-in votes. That criminals like Janet Reed wouldn't harvest unclaimed ballots from mailboxes or vacant addresses and fill them out and submit them. 

That would assume that she was able to forge the signatures of all the individuals she was pretending to vote as.  They may get mailed and received, but how many of those signatures do you think will match what is on record?  None of those ballots would be accepted based on signature matching alone.  

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

 

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4 hours ago, PokeTransplant said:

That would assume that she was able to forge the signatures of all the individuals she was pretending to vote as.  They may get mailed and received, but how many of those signatures do you think will match what is on record?  None of those ballots would be accepted based on signature matching alone.  

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

 

lol oh yeah, cuz signature verification is sooo effective in stopping other forms of fraud/identity theft. 

is anyone else's signature on their ID look the same as what you usually sign? I do a low effort little scribble 90% of the time (please dont steal my shit) 

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On 8/21/2020 at 4:02 PM, Rebels18 said:

lol oh yeah, cuz signature verification is sooo effective in stopping other forms of fraud/identity theft. 

is anyone else's signature on their ID look the same as what you usually sign? I do a low effort little scribble 90% of the time (please dont steal my shit) 

I live in Northern Nevada, I voted by mail and was rejected because they indicated my signature did not match. They sent me a form requesting I fill it out and also requested a copy my  Nevada id. All of that was OK even though I had never had the issue surface when voting in person. What really pissed me off was that they could not be bothered to send a return postage paid envelope. I still wonder just how many people that tried to vote said F--- it  I saw today and maybe I have the rejected Nevada mail in votes wrong but I think there were 515K of us. In a small State like Nevada.compared to the Big Boys it looks to me like a voting disaster..It's not the post office it's going to be the State by State count by will be a cluster second to none.

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On 8/16/2020 at 9:12 PM, DestinFlPackfan said:

Because they are going to have to go to a ' strange place' to vote.

Put the polling where the people are: Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes,...

Pick a place or three in each district where everyone goes, republican and democrat, make it simple.  Buy your groceries, Home project supplies and vote on the way in or out. 

Eliminate the discussion of mail in fraud. 

Opinions?

Good idea. However, most States have already said there will be no in person voting. Mail only. Voting at Lowe's is still in person voting.

Some states will use in person voting. Voting at HD only means that more Dems and minorities will have the opportunity to vote. So that's out.

Some States want to use drop boxes and mail voting.  But since the PO is removing mail boxes and sorting machines combined with efforts to block drop off ballot boxes what makes you think Trumpistan wants you voting at Walmart ?

Trump in his acceptance speech today, has said the election is going to be rigged by the Dems and the Deep State and the results should be annulled. Why would he want you voting from the Big 5 ?

And if all those moves fail, he will cancel the elections and like Napolean will annoint himself as The Emporer of the Americas, so there won'tt be a need for an election.

Emporer Donnie has solved all of our electoral problems for us 

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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On 8/16/2020 at 10:53 PM, mugtang said:

They have polling places in grocery stores here in Reno. 

Not in the Casinos ?

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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On 8/17/2020 at 6:32 PM, Akkula said:

Stacey Abrams just made a good point on TV.  Republicans want to eliminate mail in voting because they want to force people to polling stations where they can more easily implement voter suppression.  They can make minorities and inner city people wait in huge lines and deploy poll watchers/intimidator "proud boys" types who will aim to intimidate certain voter sets.  

Voter suppression is really the goal of Republicans.  They want to take us back to 776 BC in more ways than one.

fify

These Tactics by Trumpistan will make the Tammany Hall Pols proud.

Trump supporters, are you okay with these attempts to reduce voter turnout ? To make it more difficult for people to vote via the reduction of polling stations.?

Are you really okay with the devestation of our election process to ensure only the correct voters vote ?

Are you really okay with the destruction of our Republic because you would rather be governed by a Trumpist authoritarian regime then by Dems ?

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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On 8/20/2020 at 7:19 PM, NVGiant said:

Why is keeping polling places open for a month preferable?

A lot of Euro.narions permit voting over an entire week or weekend.

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

Americans Mayor

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On 8/20/2020 at 6:56 PM, CV147 said:

Why don't they just have early voting, like let people come and vote at a courthouse or other precincts anytime between mid-October to Election Day?

Let those who want a mail-in ballot request one either by calling a number or going to a website.

Should be pretty simple.

Because it gives more people an opportunity to vote.

Voting data shows that R's a higher percentage of turnout then The D's do. If you expand the time to vote, and there are more registered D's then R's, Dems are more likely to win electuons.

R's have historically relied on low voter turnout to win elections. This is why they favor fewer polling stations in blue districts (under the guise of cutting taxes), restricted voting times, purging of voter roles, and other tactics to reduce D turnout.

 

If your best path to 270 is to make sure only the Right voters vote, you have a shitty platform.

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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On 8/21/2020 at 11:01 AM, Rebels18 said:

No, but I think it's a proof of concept that if certain people are given the opportunity to cheat mail-in or absentee votes; they will. Janet Reed pre-marked Democrat for hundreds of absentee ballots--and those were only just the ones she got caught for. This is a lady that's worked for democratic congressional candidates before, has ran for a delegate position herself, and was allowed to remain a member of her county's Democratic precinct committee despite the fraud. 

If one person would attempt to do this with absentee ballots, others would too. Its naive to rule-out it couldn't be done with mail-in votes. That criminals like Janet Reed wouldn't harvest unclaimed ballots from mailboxes or vacant addresses and fill them out and submit them. 

The only people caught harvesting ballots wererepublicans from NC!   Remember dude

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2 minutes ago, Nevada6077 said:

The only people caught harvesting ballots wererepublicans from NC!   Remember dude

"But just because someone from somewhere we don't care about did it and got caught doesn't mean that the Dems haven't been doing it forever.  I just have a gut feeling about this, prove me wrong.  Also all of your sources don't mean anything, because I've already made up my mind because...."

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On 8/21/2020 at 4:02 PM, Rebels18 said:

lol oh yeah, cuz signature verification is sooo effective in stopping other forms of fraud/identity theft. 

is anyone else's signature on their ID look the same as what you usually sign? I do a low effort little scribble 90% of the time (please dont steal my shit) 

So tell me this. How coordinated would something like this have to be to be successful? I don’t think people do math before they make statements about “ballot harvesting??”

This is the Nevada primary this year:

”Statewide there were 12,366 ballots, or about 2.5% of all cast, that initially were rejected because of missing signatures or signature mismatches, Deputy Secretary of State for Elections Wayne Thorley said Wednesday.”

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25 minutes ago, PokeTransplant said:

"But just because someone from somewhere we don't care about did it and got caught doesn't mean that the Dems haven't been doing it forever.  I just have a gut feeling about this, prove me wrong.  Also all of your sources don't mean anything, because I've already made up my mind because...."

And the R's have never harvested ballots or brought in bums and plied them with a bottle to vote in the place of dead people still on the voting rolls.

Based on the rhetoric coming from Trumpistan, I'm quite surprised the Dem Party has not been Constitutionally banned like the Nazis in Germany. While they are at it, you might as well ban the R's because they have been doing the same shit since 1856.

"We don't have evidence but, we have lot's of theories."

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There are many checks in place to prevent voter fraud. But you guys are forgetting the biggest one. It isn't worth it. Do you know how hard it would be to fill out multiple ballots for all the people you know or even in your building and be able to do it without getting caught. all that effort for no result because even with you voter fraud you are extremely unlikely to sway an election. And if you do get caught the penalty is big. So if you were to do something on a scale that could change an election your chances of getting caught goes up and the penalty is very bad and if you do it on a scale that means you are unlikely to get caught you aren't going to affect anything so its still not worth it.

 

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18 hours ago, westfan said:

I live in Northern Nevada, I voted by mail and was rejected because they indicated my signature did not match. They sent me a form requesting I fill it out and also requested a copy my  Nevada id. All of that was OK even though I had never had the issue surface when voting in person. What really pissed me off was that they could not be bothered to send a return postage paid envelope. I still wonder just how many people that tried to vote said F--- it  I saw today and maybe I have the rejected Nevada mail in votes wrong but I think there were 515K of us. In a small State like Nevada.compared to the Big Boys it looks to me like a voting disaster..It's not the post office it's going to be the State by State count by will be a cluster second to none.

So mail-in voting is a logistics clusterf*ck that we're gonna rely on an organization as notoriously inefficient as the U.S Postal Service....sorry but I don't trust a workforce demographic that actively keep digital timers of "XX Years, XXX days, XX hours, XX minutes, and XX seconds until retirement"  as their professional motivation to be consistently competent in such a huge undertaking. This has the potential to be another 'hanging chad' fiasco as well with its complications. 

kinda funny that the party that just wants to vote the same way we always have is the one getting accused of trying to rig the election. 

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