For the schools not playing, are the seniors done?

[The Ghost of Jack Graham]

Or will they grant them a hardship waiver?

If they do grant everyone an extra year of eligibility, what happens to the high school seniors that suddenly dont have any scholarships available and most likely didn't get to play high school ball their senior years?

I feel bad for the high school kids. They seem like the ones that are really going to get f'd.

 

[jewelz4562000]

I'd assume a waiver is highly likely. But no idea

[The Ghost of Jack Graham]

7 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

I can't see any way they would take a kids eligibility away because a conference cancelled their season. But I don't understand most of the decisions the NCAA makes.

 

I agree with that, so what do you do with the entire high school class of 21? Do they just float for a season and enter the class of 22?

If that's the case then the class of 22 will be loaded and some borderline recruits won't get a look at all.

[SJSUMFA2013]

Option a: play in the spring. Many high school programs will attempt this as well. If we get a vaccine in time, this will almost certainly happen. Athletic departments have multimillion dollar shortages to make up for. The games will be televised and people will show up. I don’t understand why people doubt this. This country loves football. No one will care what the calendar says. Assuming this happens, your concerns about recruiting won’t matter. 

option b: no vaccine yet, so no spring season either. If this happens, yes, everyone retains eligibility. There will be fewer scholarships available than qualified high school players. Kids that would normally go fbs will play fcs and on down the line. The conferences that are still planning on playing in the fall can stop this by postponing their seasons. The NCAA could then increase the scholarship limit for everyone so that current players can retain their eligibility and still let there be room for incoming freshmen. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

4 minutes ago, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Option a: play in the spring. Many high school programs will attempt this as well. If we get a vaccine in time, this will almost certainly happen. Athletic departments have multimillion dollar shortages to make up for. The games will be televised and people will show up. I don’t understand why people doubt this. This country loves football. No one will care what the calendar says. Assuming this happens, your concerns about recruiting won’t matter. 

option b: no vaccine yet, so no spring season either. If this happens, yes, everyone retains eligibility. There will be fewer scholarships available than qualified high school players. Kids that would normally go fbs will play fcs and on down the line. The conferences that are still planning on playing in the fall can stop this by postponing their seasons. The NCAA could then increase the scholarship limit for everyone so that current players can retain their eligibility and still let there be room for incoming freshmen. 

The problem with spring football is the turnaround time between seasons.  Hopefully with reduced seasons and a delayed fall we can make it happen.

[The Ghost of Jack Graham]

11 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The problem with spring football is the turnaround time between seasons.  Hopefully with reduced seasons and a delayed fall we can make it happen.

Not just the time to recover from injuries but also the fact that teams will be missing their best players during the heart of the season as they prepare for the draft.

If they do play in the spring then football and basketball will both lose t.v. games since the t.v. schedule will be so congested playing both at the same time.

I dont see anyway that spring football is going to happen regardless of vaccine or no vaccine.

[SJSUMFA2013]

9 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The problem with spring football is the turnaround time between seasons.  Hopefully with reduced seasons and a delayed fall we can make it happen.

 

Just now, The Ghost of Jack Graham said:

Not just the time to recover from injuries but also the fact that teams will be missing their best players during the heart of the season as they prepare for the draft.

I dont see anyway that spring football is going to happen regardless of vaccine or no vaccine.

Sure but $ talks. Let’s not pretend college sports are anything other than a business. Coaches will use their whole depth chart, and anyone who wants to sit out for the benefit of their nfl future is welcome to. The NCAA will probably be generous with medical redshirts in the fall, too. It’s not going to be perfect, probably no non conference games for the next two seasons, probably no bowl games in the spring, but the alternative is probably a large number of sub-g5 schools dropping football and college football as we know it - the top 35ish schools will likely form their own semipro type league and keep all the $ they generate for themselves - disappearing entirely. 

[tspoke]

26 minutes ago, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Option a: play in the spring. Many high school programs will attempt this as well. If we get a vaccine in time, this will almost certainly happen. Athletic departments have multimillion dollar shortages to make up for. The games will be televised and people will show up. I don’t understand why people doubt this. This country loves football. No one will care what the calendar says. Assuming this happens, your concerns about recruiting won’t matter. 

option b: no vaccine yet, so no spring season either. If this happens, yes, everyone retains eligibility. There will be fewer scholarships available than qualified high school players. Kids that would normally go fbs will play fcs and on down the line. The conferences that are still planning on playing in the fall can stop this by postponing their seasons. The NCAA could then increase the scholarship limit for everyone so that current players can retain their eligibility and still let there be room for incoming freshmen. 

Option A. Completely agree. It will happen if the virus allows us. Those other concerns are small in the long term(especially compared to concerns of playing now). If athletes decide to sit out for the NFL oh well, that's their choice. Injuries already happen during spring football no different. Mqaybe some more. I don't really buy that they need a full year to recuperate. They hit during the spring and have intense workouts all year. The year after they graduate players that go on to the NFL play at least 20 games in a year up to 24. Need to make some adjustments to the season but they can make it work. I don't get the defeatist attitude about making it work.

Option B. Pretty simple. 2020 seniors don't count against scholarship limits. So it won't affect incoming classes. Senior day the next year will be huge. Will affect playing time for some kids but shouldn't affect scholarships.

[afafan]

Highly unlikely AFA will grant its seniors an extra semester of football.  Consensus on the AFA board is that we should NOT play in the spring. This Fall is it for The Class of 2021....and may consist of only 2 games (Army and Navy).  

[SJSUMFA2013]

11 minutes ago, tspoke said:

Option A. Completely agree. It will happen if the virus allows us. Those other concerns are small in the long term(especially compared to concerns of playing now). If athletes decide to sit out for the NFL oh well, that's their choice. Injuries already happen during spring football no different. Mqaybe some more. I don't really buy that they need a full year to recuperate. They hit during the spring and have intense workouts all year. The year after they graduate players that go on to the NFL play at least 20 games in a year up to 24. Need to make some adjustments to the season but they can make it work. I don't get the defeatist attitude about making it work.

Option B. Pretty simple. 2020 seniors don't count against scholarship limits. So it won't affect incoming classes. Senior day the next year will be huge. Will affect playing time for some kids but shouldn't affect scholarships.

Totally agree on option b if the acc, sec, big 12, aac, cusa, and sunbelt all agree to postpone their fall seasons as well. If not, we’re in for a real clusterf*ck.

[SJSUMFA2013]

3 minutes ago, afafan said:

Highly unlikely AFA will grant its seniors an extra semester of football.  Consensus on the AFA board is that we should NOT play in the spring. This Fall is it for The Class of 2021....and may consist of only 2 games (Army and Navy).  

The military academies are in a uniquely bad spot with this. The NCAA handles eligibility though, so if they give you the option and you turn it down, that’s a choice you’re free to make. 

Can I ask why playing in the spring doesn’t work though?

[Fowl]

2 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The problem with spring football is the turnaround time between seasons.  Hopefully with reduced seasons and a delayed fall we can make it happen.

Start in early/mid Jan and end in March.  Perhaps truncate the season to 9 games (8 conference/ 1 OOC).  Start the season the weekend of Jan 23 end it on March 20, conference championship games March 27 and four team playoff April 3 and Championship game April 10.  No spring practice.  Have the NFL delay the draft until late May / early June.  That gives plenty of time for kids to rest up before fall camp.  Lots of schools already have spring practice and scrimmages that extend into April and May.  This way most get the same or longer break they get from between spring practice and fall camp.

Delay Bball season to Jan and have the tourney start the weekend of April 17 with the final four the weekend of May 1.

[Spot50B]

4 hours ago, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Option a: play in the spring. Many high school programs will attempt this as well. If we get a vaccine in time, this will almost certainly happen. Athletic departments have multimillion dollar shortages to make up for. The games will be televised and people will show up. I don’t understand why people doubt this. This country loves football. No one will care what the calendar says. Assuming this happens, your concerns about recruiting won’t matter. 

option b: no vaccine yet, so no spring season either. If this happens, yes, everyone retains eligibility. There will be fewer scholarships available than qualified high school players. Kids that would normally go fbs will play fcs and on down the line. The conferences that are still planning on playing in the fall can stop this by postponing their seasons. The NCAA could then increase the scholarship limit for everyone so that current players can retain their eligibility and still let there be room for incoming freshmen. 

Biggest problem with option B is $. No football revenue at all in the 2020-2021 school year and then you turn around and have to pay scollies and stipends to 25-30 extra players? My guess is that at least half of the seniors across the country will not come back. Some will graduate and go on with their lives, some will transfer and some will enter the draft. It's gonna be a mess.

[SJSUMFA2013]

3 minutes ago, Spot50B said:

Biggest problem with option B is $. No football revenue at all in the 2020-2021 school year and then you turn around and have to pay scollies and stipends to 25-30 extra players? My guess is that at least half of the seniors across the country will not come back. Some will graduate and go on with their lives, some will transfer and some will enter the draft. It's gonna be a mess.

Totally agree. That’s why playing in the spring is necessary. Hold out hope for that vaccine.

[Spot50B]

5 minutes ago, SJSUMFA2013 said:

Totally agree. That’s why playing in the spring is necessary. Hold out hope for that vaccine.

If we get a vaccine, that would be great. If we don't, the Spring option is a lot more dicey. That MWC list of player's demands really is a big deal. MWC schools can't afford the liability associated with them (even though the demands are reasonable). Any step towards unionization is a death knell for all but a handful of universities.

[carbonpoke]

Y'all know that this virus ramps up with cold weather?  Starting before mid March is a bad idea.  And that is probably bad idea too.  Without protection aka vaccine or antivirus nasal inhalers (which is in the works) it will cost thousands of lives.  Not the football players... And the cost of quarantining and medical service will absolutely ass ram universities.  Remember, players are organizing, health care for up to 5 years.  That's a huge amount of money

[Headbutt]

17 minutes ago, Spot50B said:

If we get a vaccine, that would be great. If we don't, the Spring option is a lot more dicey. That MWC list of player's demands really is a big deal. MWC schools can't afford the liability associated with them (even though the demands are reasonable). Any step towards unionization is a death knell for all but a handful of universities.

Some of the demands are reasonable, some are ridiculous. 

[SJSUMFA2013]

1 hour ago, Spot50B said:

If we get a vaccine, that would be great. If we don't, the Spring option is a lot more dicey. That MWC list of player's demands really is a big deal. MWC schools can't afford the liability associated with them (even though the demands are reasonable). Any step towards unionization is a death knell for all but a handful of universities.

 

1 hour ago, carbonpoke said:

Y'all know that this virus ramps up with cold weather?  Starting before mid March is a bad idea.  And that is probably bad idea too.  Without protection aka vaccine or antivirus nasal inhalers (which is in the works) it will cost thousands of lives.  Not the football players... And the cost of quarantining and medical service will absolutely ass ram universities.  Remember, players are organizing, health care for up to 5 years.  That's a huge amount of money

Can’t do it without a vaccine. We’re screwed in more ways than just football if we don’t.

I read about those inhalers. Mind-blowing stuff. 

As far as unionization, it’s a negotiation. Labor wants to get paid what they’re worth, but they can’t expect to receive something that management simply cannot provide. Both sides have to agree or the whole thing blows up, which neither side wants.