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Del Scorcho

COVID-19 the Unraveling of America

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5 minutes ago, Akkula said:

Are we going to declare victory because we boldly shoveled more people into mass graves while other countries were more thoughtful about human life?  

What is so hard to comprehend about this?  If vaccines don't work or only work marginally...like flu vaccines, then lockdowns don't matter unless you plan to quarantine your country into perpetuity.  If they do work well, then there is an argument that some states took the wrong approach.

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9 minutes ago, Akkula said:

Nice bothsiderism.  Bothsiderism is one of the things that has rotted this country the most.  It is kinda like blaming the rapee for wearing provacative clothing.  The virus response of the Federal government is squarely at Trump and Republican feet.  "Both sides" didn't coordinate the response or we would probably have a situation more comparable to Canada or Germany.  That would have been a "both sides" hand wringing response if we were Canada or Germany.

Is there anything your view from Costa Rica does not see only in shades of Trump.  We all get it.  You don't like him and blame him for virtually everything bad on the planet.  We can just go with that statement and any further posts from you on any topic are redundant.

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5 minutes ago, BYUcougfan said:

What is so hard to comprehend about this?  If vaccines don't work or only work marginally...like flu vaccines, then lockdowns don't matter unless you plan to quarantine your country into perpetuity.  If they do work well, then there is an argument that some states took the wrong approach.

Doing jack shit to stop the virus during the first few months of this pandemic will NEVER be seen as an acceptable alternative, especially when it was just bumbled into as a strategy because the president didn't want to lead.  That is kinda like saying, "we didn't give the patient pain killers or treat him while he was alive...in hindsight he died so it would have been a waste of time to do any of those things."

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I think we are on the verge of finally seeing that Reagan-Clintonist political economic policies are about as wise as Marxist-Leninst ones.  During the 1950-70s the Marxist-Leninists though they were effin brilliant and the system collapsed about 20 years later.    The Reagan-Clintonists thought they were pretty brilliant too...then came 2008....2016...now 2020.... 

How much more outsourcing and shoveling money into the pockets of billionaires can the world endure?

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12 minutes ago, Akkula said:

Nice bothsiderism.  Bothsiderism is one of the things that has rotted this country the most.  It is kinda like blaming the rapee for wearing provacative clothing.  The virus response of the Federal government is squarely at Trump and Republican feet.  "Both sides" didn't coordinate the response or we would probably have a situation more comparable to Canada or Germany.  That would have been a "both sides" hand wringing response if we were Canada or Germany.

Sad how the rape victim card is always the first one out of the deck to be used when holding separate parties accountable. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'll never blame a rape victim and even using that as an example is bad form. "Both sides didn't coordinate the response". In a way they did, the Republicans neglected it and the Democrats were being hypocritical about it.        

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2 minutes ago, ridgeview2 said:

Sad how the rape victim card is always the first one out of the deck to be used when holding separate parties accountable. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'll never blame a rape victim and even using that as an example is bad form. "Both sides didn't coordinate the response". In a way they did, the Republicans neglected it and the Democrats were being hypocritical about it.        

Keep up the spin machine.  Cuomo and Democratic governors did a terrific job....non-trumpist/crazy Republican governors did fine as well.  Cult members who were in charge had a total disaster.  

I am sure in a year or two we will have reinvented history and it will have been Obama's fault....

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1 hour ago, #1Stunner said:

Italy has hardly recovered.

Their economy has (and is) taking a huge hit.

 

I know people badly want to push the virus all on Donald Trump, but it is what it is.   This is a world-wide pandemic.  

Get ready to see the economic fallout in about a year. 

The number of new cases in Italy is modest and over the last month or so deaths have been a mere handful: https://www.coronatracker.com/country/italy/

Obviously their economy has taken a huge hit. However, so has ours yet there's no telling when we'll see the type of reduction in cases that Italy has so that suggests their economy is going to recover considerably sooner than ours.

Of course, it's not all Trump's fault. However, his dozens of stupid comments over the last five months have undoubtedly contributed to an absence of beneficial social distancing and masking up while in groups. And just wait. If he loses a close election (as opposed to the blowout which is within the realm of possibility), he's sure to raise hell during his final ten weeks in office while doing little if anything to heal the economy because so doing won't help him personally and in the final analysis, nothing matters to Trump but Trump.

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15 minutes ago, Akkula said:

Keep up the spin machine.  Cuomo and Democratic governors did a terrific job....non-trumpist/crazy Republican governors did fine as well.  Cult members who were in charge had a total disaster.  

I am sure in a year or two we will have reinvented history and it will have been Obama's fault....

LOL at Cuomo doing well.  Tell that to the old folks living in homes he stuffed full of Covid patients.  There are governors on both sides that have handled it well and not so well.  Cuomo hardly gets good marks.

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6 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

The number of new cases in Italy is modest and over the last month or so deaths have been a mere handful: https://www.coronatracker.com/country/italy/

Obviously their economy has taken a huge hit. However, so has ours yet there's no telling when we'll see the type of reduction in cases that Italy has so that suggests their economy is going to recover considerably sooner than ours.

Of course, it's not all Trump's fault. However, his dozens of stupid comments over the last five months have undoubtedly contributed to an absence of beneficial social distancing and masking up while in groups. And just wait. If he loses a close election (as opposed to the blowout which is within the realm of possibility), he's sure to raise hell during his final ten weeks in office while doing little if anything to heal the economy because so doing won't help him personally and in the final analysis, nothing matters to Trump but Trump.

When he loses it may be better to have the lame duck house and senate remove him for Pence.  He may try to poison the well and salt the earth for Biden for 3 months.   

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1 hour ago, #1Stunner said:

That's called people looking for news to confirm their beliefs.

Your two outlets, currently pushing the narrative of Hopelessness ..... probably up to November...

Then after that, if Biden wins, the narrative will do a 180, and all the news stories will be about "a renewed hope", and "America is rising again" and "perseverance".

Of course there will be articles about a renewed hope or some such thing. Only right wing media would desist from doing so notwithstanding that the country had finally rid itself of the Master of Disaster and my guess is even FoxNews will run such stories if only to try to rehabilitate itself from the embarrassment of having supported such a loser for four years.

Speaking of right wing media, you've apparently been reading the Deseret News a lot lately because you've lost the modicum of objectivity you once had.

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4 minutes ago, BYUcougfan said:

LOL at Cuomo doing well.  Tell that to the old folks living in homes he stuffed full of Covid patients.  There are governors on both sides that have handled it well and not so well.  Cuomo hardly gets good marks.

https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/state-news/poll-gov-cuomos-approval-rating-soaring-during-coronavirus-outbreak/

Poll: Gov. Cuomo’s approval rating soaring during coronavirus outbreak

The NBC/Marist poll reports all-time highs since he took office in 2011:

  • 60% of New Yorkers registered to vote rated Cuomo’s performance as excellent or good
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2 hours ago, BYUcougfan said:

There are always downsides to the way we run our free society.  For Covid, it is these kinds of things where people lack any sense of personal accountability.  I think Utah right now is showing how things can change without a big government edict.  We were getting out of control 3 to 4 weeks ago.  The mask mandates in Salt Lake County and Summit County were not really making much of a difference.  Then, the governor plead with the citizens to be careful, wear masks, etc.  The Church plead with members to be careful, wear masks, etc.  There were no further restrictions, but the numbers have come down drastically in the last week and a half.  I am sure the masks had an impact, but people just not being stupid and acting as if nothing is wrong made a huge difference.

The cases did not start going down until after the governor allowed individual counties like SL to mandate masks,  which he was previously blocking until late June when cases were spiking. 

There are still a bunch of people, particularly in Utah county, that are fighting the Governor's mandate that masks be worn when schools resume. This seems to be driven by a bunch of conspiracy nonsense, and dumbasses like Ammon Bundy.

 

https://www.ksl.com/article/46777290/anti-mask-crowd-fills-utah-county-meeting-on-mask-mandate-exemption-request-meeting-rescheduled-due-to-health-concerns

 

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Denna Robertson, one of the rally organizers, said she’s “absolutely” comfortable sending children back to school without masks. She said wearing masks is not a public health issue because she believes COVID-19 was manufactured in a lab.

“Coronavirus is man-made. It’s a weaponized virus,” Robertson said.

She accused Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, and business magnate and philanthropist Bill Gates of being part of creating the virus to usher in “a new world order” by reducing the world population to 5 million people.

Robertson, who’s also a mother and grandmother, said she isn’t concerned about contracting the virus from one of her grandchildren.

“If I’m infected with COVID, it’s because I’ve not been taking care of my immune system. You know how your immune system gets strong? It’s by being in the dirt and getting exposed to bacteria and viruses,” Robertson said.

 

Plandemic conspiracy bullshit.

 

 

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3 hours ago, PokeTransplant said:

If "kicking the can down the road" saved lives, why wouldn't we be for that?  Does keeping those dirty diseased Americans off of their island keep the citizens of New Zealand safer?  I remember isolating ourselves from the southern invaders being a valid means of saving our citizens.  At least that is what we were told.  Turns out we think isolation is over rates when applied to us.

The Canadians are now concerned about a southern invasion from Americans bringing the virus. Americans are trying to sneak north by doing things like turning off their boat transponders.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/travel/Canada-border-crossings-coronavirus.html

 

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3 hours ago, Del Scorcho said:

Canada's unemployment rate jumped 6% since the Pandemic started, the US jumped 7%

How about Japan's unemployment rate currently its below 3%

No matter how you slice it the US isn't winning.

Certainly Trump isn't to blame for the Pandemic itself, but you could easily make an argument that his lack of leadership, confusion he created with the CDC and his own staff can be attributed to the deaths of 1,000 of additional American's.  He's been a disaster

How many deaths have the under 35 crowd (mostly democrats) been responsible for?  This is the age demographic responsible for the rapid spread of the Virus.  

Trump has been a disaster but it is my generation that is largely to blame and they don't really like Trump.

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2 hours ago, Akkula said:

Nice bothsiderism.  Bothsiderism is one of the things that has rotted this country the most.  It is kinda like blaming the rapee for wearing provacative clothing.  The virus response of the Federal government is squarely at Trump and Republican feet.  "Both sides" didn't coordinate the response or we would probably have a situation more comparable to Canada or Germany.  That would have been a "both sides" hand wringing response if we were Canada or Germany.

"Privatize" the gains, "socialize" the losses.

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17 hours ago, Del Scorcho said:

I read this on Sunday. It articulated many of my thoughts. I don’t agree with his conclusion that we cannot turn it around, but the rot has been exposed.

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Let’s dispel of one notion. We are not failing because of our freedom. We are far from the only free country on earth, but we are faring worse than every other free, affluent country on earth. 

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14 hours ago, Mano said:

The cases did not start going down until after the governor allowed individual counties like SL to mandate masks,  which he was previously blocking until late June when cases were spiking. 

There are still a bunch of people, particularly in Utah county, that are fighting the Governor's mandate that masks be worn when schools resume. This seems to be driven by a bunch of conspiracy nonsense, and dumbasses like Ammon Bundy.

 

https://www.ksl.com/article/46777290/anti-mask-crowd-fills-utah-county-meeting-on-mask-mandate-exemption-request-meeting-rescheduled-due-to-health-concerns

 

 

Plandemic conspiracy bullshit.

 

 

The mask mandates in SLC did not have a huge impact.  3 weeks into the mandate the numbers had not come down appreciably.  It was the appeal to people to be careful that really made the difference.

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