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Most of these are very reasonable demands.  
 

 

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4 minutes ago, mugtang said:

These are very reasonable demands.  

Aren't most of the eligibility ones up to the  NCAA though? Have they said anything about allowing a sixth year hardship due to player concerns over contracting Covid?

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Offer 'em Hair's personal barber and call it a day

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Shouldn't they be asking for 50% of the revenue? Actually in all seriousness this is actually reasonable and I'm sure the conference/NCAA planned on doing most of these anyway.

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I think the voiding the liability waiver clause is iffy too.  Meaning if they go to a party or on a date and contract COVID they can sue the school?  Doesn’t seem like that would fly.

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5 minutes ago, bsubroncochick said:

I think the voiding the liability waiver clause is iffy too.  Meaning if they go to a party or on a date and contract COVID they can sue the school?  Doesn’t seem like that would fly.

A "subject to" or indemnity based on evidence of partying and non-athletic or academic event could be in place, but traditionally if a kid got mono, he wouldn't lose anything.  The liability waivers were protecting the schools if they got sick because of practice.  Work with the players to see what is reasonable to allow a floor of personal liberties, and then move on with essentially a practice that is essentially already in place.

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12 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

Shouldn't they be asking for 50% of the revenue? Actually in all seriousness this is actually reasonable and I'm sure the conference/NCAA planned on doing most of these anyway.

50% of the revenue? Does that mean the players would have to pay San Jose St to play?

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I’m ok with these depending upon the details of the liability waiver. I’m still thinking the only way this season happens is later after a vaccine not earlier. Expect a later conference only basketball season as well. May Madness Baby!

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The comments are funny.  Besides the obvious grammatical error, fans of P5 schools are whining because they think MWC players are asking for too much.  Free Shoes University and R-Kansas fans have a dim perspective, as their players are likely getting paid by boosters and the amenities they enjoy are magnitudes more of a benefit than the 5-years of medical if a MWC player contracts COVID because they played football.  The rich shouting down the middle class, they can go phuck themselves.   Probably still upset from SJSU and BSU giving those two schools the business last year

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1 hour ago, mugtang said:

These are very reasonable demands.  
 

 

The conference will cancel the season before they agree to pay unlimited medical bills up to 5 years afterward, and boot the liability waiver. That could be mega millions of $. The conference should provide them with high end medical insurance policies, and that’s it. 

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1 hour ago, mugtang said:

These are very reasonable demands.  
 

 

Not really IMO.  Most of these "demands" are already policy.  Banning liability waivers and holding the university liable for five years is ridiculous.  Should that apply to every student?  Should that apply to every business in town.

This is stupid.  It's a case of demanding what you already have, and demanding what cannot be delivered.

I expect better common sense from MWC athletes, or at the least a more aggressive approach to the ridiculous like the P12 got.

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1 minute ago, Headbutt said:

Not really IMO.  Most of these "demands" are already policy.  Banning liability waivers and holding the university liable for five years is ridiculous.  Should that apply to every student?  Should that apply to every business in town.

This is stupid.  It's a case of demanding what you already have, and demanding what cannot be delivered.

I expect better common sense from MWC athletes, or at the least a more aggressive approach to the ridiculous like the P12 got.

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1 hour ago, bsubroncochick said:

I think the voiding the liability waiver clause is iffy too.  Meaning if they go to a party or on a date and contract COVID they can sue the school?  Doesn’t seem like that would fly.

Or if a coach is flouting protocols and kids get sick then they can sue.

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17 minutes ago, Headbutt said:

Not really IMO.  Most of these "demands" are already policy.  Banning liability waivers and holding the university liable for five years is ridiculous.  Should that apply to every student?  Should that apply to every business in town.

This is stupid.  It's a case of demanding what you already have, and demanding what cannot be delivered.

I expect better common sense from MWC athletes, or at the least a more aggressive approach to the ridiculous like the P12 got.

Is the 50% rule in place now?  Is the hardship waiver in place now?  Is the ban of liability waivers, and a codified prohibition of any retaliation for whistleblowing COVID in place now?  We are telling athletes that unlike "every student" we want you to play ball to make the school money, no more and no less.  And if you are having athletes earn scholarships (and some not even having that) to do more than what "every student" does, is it not reasonable to ask for extra protections?  The question is whether the school wants to take extra precaution to continue to make money off of students, or not.

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What 50% rule?  I saw nothing in their manifesto about a 50% rule.  I'm not sure about a hardship waiver.  If you mean the ability to sit out without losing a scholarship, I believe most teams have endorsed it and it is on the table with the NCAA.  I absolutely oppose a ban of liability waivers, that is just plain stupid, and if you don't like the "whistleblower" policy at your current school, go find a different school.  There are legal protections for any student at any school for "whistleblowing" already (as there should be).  The notion of being able to make a school pay your medical bills for five years is just plain stupid.

CSU, and I guarantee other schools, is right now dealing with a Covid outbreak.  All indications are that it didn't come from football practice.  Why in the hell should CSU be on the hook because a bunch of players decided to have a party??  They were warned of the danger of partying.  What more can you do?

To answer your question, show me the school that isn't taking extra precautions.  The vast majority of these schools are public and operate under the auspices of the state and their health department.  Let's not pretend any school is holding Covid parties and working on herd immunity.  It ain't happening.  It's career suicide for a coach at the very least.

This little manifesto is a freaking joke.  Demanding things they already have, and demanding things that should never happen.  Nothing reasonable in there at all IMO.

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6 minutes ago, Headbutt said:

What 50% rule?  I saw nothing in their manifesto about a 50% rule.  I'm not sure about a hardship waiver.  If you mean the ability to sit out without losing a scholarship, I believe most teams have endorsed it and it is on the table with the NCAA.  I absolutely oppose a ban of liability waivers, that is just plain stupid, and if you don't like the "whistleblower" policy at your current school, go find a different school.  There are legal protections for any student at any school for "whistleblowing" already (as there should be).  The notion of being able to make a school pay your medical bills for five years is just plain stupid.

CSU, and I guarantee other schools, is right now dealing with a Covid outbreak.  All indications are that it didn't come from football practice.  Why in the hell should CSU be on the hook because a bunch of players decided to have a party??  They were warned of the danger of partying.  What more can you do?

To answer your question, show me the school that isn't taking extra precautions.  The vast majority of these schools are public and operate under the auspices of the state and their health department.  Let's not pretend any school is holding Covid parties and working on herd immunity.  It ain't happening.  It's career suicide for a coach at the very least.

This little manifesto is a freaking joke.  Demanding things they already have, and demanding things that should never happen.  Nothing reasonable in there at all IMO.

50% of the season is cancelled due to COVID, hardship waivers can be granted.  And no, there really isn't a codified whistleblower legal protection for COVID.  If you want to players to play, should you not assume the risk if your insistence resulted in them catching COVID?  Read my previous post about indemnifying schools if there is evidence of an athlete contracting COVID due to non-athletic circumstance.  To rebut your answer, if schools are taking precautions, then the entire conference wouldn't have an issue with agreeing to most of the terms, right?  Seems logical, doesn't it?  If you want to quibble about the 5-year or the liability waiver (which is fricking ridiculous), then negotiate it, or just not play football.  To flat out reject it is a joke and shows the unreasonable nature of sports fans and people way too invested in institutions.

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