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2 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Agreed. Get the feds out. Let them burn the federal buildings if they must. But Portland doesn’t get them rebuilt. Perhaps Bend or some other community would be more open to protecting public property in times of unrest.

The feds have escalated significantly. Don’t be obtuse. now a protest that had slowly whittled to dozens of protestors has turned into thousands in direct response. Just what Portland needed.

And it’s not like the feds aren’t going to rebuild. Get real. Where else are they going to bungle the prosecutions of right-wing heroes like the Bundys?

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2 minutes ago, happycamper said:

 

oof

Government, proactive.  This is rarely an accurate statement, and it isn't one now.  This is a reactive response to federal buildings being damaged.  And sure enough, they made the problem worse somehow.

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Just now, East Coast Aztec said:

Government, proactive.  This is rarely an accurate statement, and it isn't one now.  This is a reactive response to federal buildings being damaged.  And sure enough, they made the problem worse somehow.

well and what is a "proactive arrest"? are they arresting people before they can dare commit a crime...?

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13 minutes ago, happycamper said:

well and what is a "proactive arrest"? are they arresting people before they can dare commit a crime...?

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1 hour ago, NVGiant said:

I don’t believe you should fear the government “especially in a democracy.” I’d fear an autocratic government more. I don’t think that was your point though. Regardless, this is some scary shit.

Why it’s hard to thread the needle? I don’t know. For the most part, we have managed to do it to varying degrees of success. But we’re not threading it well now.

I meant democracy is the form where you should especially fear both. I dont get the sense that theres  much to fear from the mob in a successful autocracy. I guess unless the mob is a proxy for the state, but then you are basically just fearing the state. 

But I do still fear the government in a democracy. I mean, what is more democratic than a mob?

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44 minutes ago, happycamper said:

well and what is a "proactive arrest"? are they arresting people before they can dare commit a crime...?

It's the thing the bill of rights exists to prevent. 

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Defense Secretary Mark Esper has expressed “concern” within the Trump administration about federal agents dressing up in military uniforms while handling protests and riots in places like Portland, Ore., chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said Tuesday.

“We want a system where people can tell the difference,” he told reporters.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/esper-concern-federal-agents-wearing-military-camo-uniforms

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1 hour ago, smltwnrckr said:

I meant democracy is the form where you should especially fear both. I dont get the sense that theres  much to fear from the mob in a successful autocracy. I guess unless the mob is a proxy for the state, but then you are basically just fearing the state. 

But I do still fear the government in a democracy. I mean, what is more democratic than a mob?

Both Plato and I would agree

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2 hours ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Government, proactive.  This is rarely an accurate statement, and it isn't one now.  This is a reactive response to federal buildings being damaged.  And sure enough, they made the problem worse somehow.

It is too bad Obama didn't use powers of proactive arrests to arrest gun owners.   That may have prevented some shootings. 

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1 hour ago, Akkula said:

It is too bad Obama didn't use powers of proactive arrests to arrest gun owners.   That may have prevented some shootings. 

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4 hours ago, happycamper said:

well and what is a "proactive arrest"? are they arresting people before they can dare commit a crime...?

A proactive arrest might be the scariest thing I have heard from the government, ever.

I mean that has to be the clearest definition of facism I have heard.

If anything this proves there is a whole lot of the Federal Government that immediately needs to be abolished. DHS is first up and ICE is on deck.

This whole episode immediately changed my vote to Libertarian. As far as I can tell, both major parties want to shred the Bill of Rights. 

You win @BSUTOP25

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4 hours ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Government, proactive.  This is rarely an accurate statement, and it isn't one now.  This is a reactive response to federal buildings being damaged.  And sure enough, they made the problem worse somehow.

It's the attitude here that is most concerning. Whether or not they truly "proactively arrested" people, the fact they feel they have a clear mandate to do so is scary as +++++.

I mean I don't think it is something that should be easily dismissed. Or even chalked up to incompetence. 

Its patently anti-American.

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4 hours ago, NVGiant said:

The feds have escalated significantly. Don’t be obtuse. now a protest that had slowly whittled to dozens of protestors has turned into thousands in direct response. Just what Portland needed.

And it’s not like the feds aren’t going to rebuild. Get real. Where else are they going to bungle the prosecutions of right-wing heroes like the Bundys?

Hopefully Idaho, it’s their turn.

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6 hours ago, renoskier said:

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Oh really?  Why should people be whisked away for exercising certain constitutional rights and not others?  There cons were always hyperventilating about Obamas federal agents coming for their guns.   I don't make this stiff up!  This is just more pure hypocrisy. 

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3 hours ago, Akkula said:

Oh really?  Why should people be whisked away for exercising certain constitutional rights and not others?  There cons were always hyperventilating about Obamas federal agents coming for their guns.   I don't make this stiff up!  This is just more pure hypocrisy. 

Just watched an interview with the Chicago police chief.  They have confiscated over 5 thousand guns since the first of the year in Chicago.  I’m sure some of them were purchased legally etc but I’ll bet money that the majority of them weren’t.  I’m not for preemptive arrests either but taking legally purchased guns by law abiding citizens is just as dumb.

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16 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Uhhh yeah. In what universe would anyone try to prevent someone from burning their house down, retreat to avoid further violence, and then be expected to replace the damage by the same people who destroyed it? That’s ludicrous reasoning beyond childish logic. If the city of Portland wanted those buildings and all that comes with them, they absolutely have the resources to prevent their destruction. They do not care to, that’s why the feds are there to begin with. 

Lol at you constantly assuming the cops and Feds are good-faith actors. It’s clear you’ve never been on the ground

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56 minutes ago, Wyoguns said:

Just watched an interview with the Chicago police chief.  They have confiscated over 5 thousand guns since the first of the year in Chicago.  I’m sure some of them were purchased legally etc but I’ll bet money that the majority of them weren’t.  I’m not for preemptive arrests either but taking legally purchased guns by law abiding citizens is just as dumb.

Can you imagine the right wing freak out if Obama sent the Bureau of Prisons and Parks Police to started abducting and disarming right wing hillbilly re-open protestors to prevent violence?  Anyone taking a gun to a protest gets disarmed?  Do you remember how indignant this board was about how they had the right to protest?  OH MY GOD....you cannot even imagine...we have people who think David Koresch is a hero...what would they do if Obama just rolled up to cliven hillbilly land and just forced some of these guys into cars and disarmed them to prevent some protest.

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20 hours ago, SDSUfan said:

I don't think many of you understand how close we are to actual, bloody armed civil war.

You should begin to think in those terms.  If you don't think it can happen here you are sadly mistaken.

Think, really, really hard about this and if this is the country you want your kids to grow up in because it's coming.

Law and order is foundational.

nothing else works without it.

I agree. That's why we need to get rid of the authoritarian c*ntmonkey occupying the WH who has zero respect for either.

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