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happycamper Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The Crimean people were overwhelmingly in favor of it. So, Russia wanted them, they wanted Russia. But red scare folks will red scare, I guess. Cus +++++ what the Crimean people want. and that's a much better argument than your first one. shoulda led with it Quote Remember that every argument you have with someone on MWCboard is actually the continuation of a different argument they had with someone else also on MWCboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 minute ago, happycamper said: and that's a much better argument than your first one. shoulda led with it Yeah, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndroidAggie Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: The Crimean people were overwhelmingly in favor of it. So, Russia wanted them, they wanted Russia. But red scare folks will red scare, I guess. Cus +++++ what the Crimean people want. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/03/18/five-years-after-crimeas-illegal-annexation-the-issue-is-no-closer-to-resolution/ By early March, the Russian military had control of Crimea. Crimean authorities then proposed a referendum, which was held on March 16. It proved an illegitimate sham. To begin with, the referendum was illegal under Ukrainian law. Moreover, it offered voters two choices: to join Russia, or to restore Crimea’s 1992 constitution, which would have entailed significantly greater autonomy from Kyiv. Those on the peninsula who favored Crimea remaining a part of Ukraine under the current constitutional arrangements found no box to check. The referendum unsurprisingly produced a Soviet-style result: 97 percent allegedly voted to join Russia with a turnout of 83 percent. A true referendum, fairly conducted, might have shown a significant number of Crimean voters in favor of joining Russia. Some 60 percent were ethnic Russians, and many might have concluded their economic situation would be better as a part Russia. It was not, however, a fair referendum. It was conducted in polling places under armed guard, with no credible international observers, and with Russian journalists reporting that they had been allowed to vote. Two months later, a member of Putin’s Human Rights Council let slip that turnout had been more like 30 percent, with only half voting to join Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2019/03/18/five-years-after-crimeas-illegal-annexation-the-issue-is-no-closer-to-resolution/ By early March, the Russian military had control of Crimea. Crimean authorities then proposed a referendum, which was held on March 16. It proved an illegitimate sham. To begin with, the referendum was illegal under Ukrainian law. Moreover, it offered voters two choices: to join Russia, or to restore Crimea’s 1992 constitution, which would have entailed significantly greater autonomy from Kyiv. Those on the peninsula who favored Crimea remaining a part of Ukraine under the current constitutional arrangements found no box to check. The referendum unsurprisingly produced a Soviet-style result: 97 percent allegedly voted to join Russia with a turnout of 83 percent. A true referendum, fairly conducted, might have shown a significant number of Crimean voters in favor of joining Russia. Some 60 percent were ethnic Russians, and many might have concluded their economic situation would be better as a part Russia. It was not, however, a fair referendum. It was conducted in polling places under armed guard, with no credible international observers, and with Russian journalists reporting that they had been allowed to vote. Two months later, a member of Putin’s Human Rights Council let slip that turnout had been more like 30 percent, with only half voting to join Russia. There have been several independent polls/research showing the Crimean people were overwhelhmingly in favor of joining Russia. Since then, it is no wonder why, aside from the majority (55%) being ethnic Russians. Russia has made HUGE investments in Crimea and their quality of life has improved greatly. https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-cements-ties-with-crimea-freezing-conflict-with-west-11584523802 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrofade Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I don't know why this is being questioned so much still. It's been corroborated by WaPo, WSJ, NBC, Fox, BBC, and countless others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SalinasSpartan Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Wait so what did people want trump to do, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNLV2001 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 2 hours ago, retrofade said: I don't know why this is being questioned so much still. It's been corroborated by WaPo, WSJ, NBC, Fox, BBC, and countless others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanforHeisman Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 If Ontario wanted to be annexed by Idaho, I still wouldn’t support Idaho’s hostile takeover of the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said: If Ontario wanted to be annexed by Idaho, I still wouldn’t support Idaho’s hostile takeover of the land. Hostile, welcomed. What's the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azgreg Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Quote People, not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, azgreg said: Oh yeah, let’s go to war with Russia over hearsay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 The red and blue bloodthirsty warhawks out in full force. There is always time for bipartisan agreement when it involves killing foreigners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrofade Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Where are the GOP calls for BENGHAZI!!!! like hearings on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrofade Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Because again, there's a tweet for literally everything, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Looks like there was some intelligence information on this bounty. Supposedly the Senate Intelligence Committee already knew about it before the NY Times article according to the quote below. The full Senate is now being given access to the documents. Quote Senators will have access to intelligence documents related to reporting that Russia’s military intelligence unit, the GRU, offered bounties to Taliban militants to kill U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The broad access senators will have to classified documents that were previously reserved for members of the Senate Intelligence Committee reflects the intense concern building on Capitol Hill over a bombshell report published by The New York Times on Friday. “I do understand that multiple documents ... are being made available to senators in a secure room. I just got that note as I was coming over here,” said Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), who said she would “hope” that senators receive a briefing. “I think it’s important to understand the facts behind it,” she said. ...... Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, indicated Monday that the topic is not new to members of his panel. "There are a lot of us in SSCI who have already spent time on this topic in the past," he said, using the acronym for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "The Congress and particularly the SSCI needs to do a lot more." Sasse clarified that "I'm not confirming any facts." https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/505148-senators-will-have-access-to-intelligence-on-russian-bounties-on-us-troops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Del Scorcho Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, SalinasSpartan said: Wait so what did people want trump to do, exactly? someone is getting fired, probably a white house chef or the ambassador to Fiji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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