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POLL: Should The Union Peacefully Dissolve?

Would it be better to dissolve the Union?  

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  1. 1. Would it be better to dissolve the Union?

    • Yes, let's slice this +++++er up and live the way we want to live
    • No, we are better as a whole through compromise and constitutional federalism


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3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

You just want black people to be as vulnerable as possible. 

 

 

Black people are assigned a petty drug felony during young adulthood to remove their gun and voting rights.  Black people already aren't allowed to acquire guns.

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1 minute ago, Akkula said:

Black people are assigned a petty drug felony during young adulthood to remove their gun and voting rights.  Black people already aren't allowed to acquire guns.

WOW, holy shit this an actually racist as hell comment.

Great job.

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29 minutes ago, renoskier said:

No, the ACA set new standards but state regulation was set by the McCarran-Furguson Act (1945).

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/out-of-state-health-insurance-purchases.aspx

Insurance firms in each state are protected from interstate competition by the federal McCarran-Ferguson Act (1945), which grants states the right to regulate health plans within their borders. Large employers who self-insure are exempt from these state regulations. The result has been a patchwork of 50 different sets of state regulations and the cost for an insurer licensed in one state to enter another state market is often high. The Affordable Care Act (ACA) set new standards, but retained the strong context of state regulation combined with expanded minimum federal standards.

So, maybe @Jackrabbit was right, a Federal law was passed to give the states more rights? :shrug:

And President Trump is trying to get around this with an EO, which jackrabbit is opposed to.:facepalm:

United States map of States to allow out-of-state health insurance sales

 

But actually, Wyoming does allow Out-of Sate Insurance sales. Wyoming was the first state, in March 2010, to enact a signed law based on the free-market model but also including a multi-state compact related to federal health reform.

Phuck, I'm confused!

Really...the only option Wyoming has is Obamacare...and is trying to bring in some kind of competition....but thats not the arguement here.

Trumps EO should not have been needed in the first place.

The only thing that makes any sense at all if for the federal govt to standardize health insurance standards across state lines so we dot have to deal with this horseshit.

 

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5 minutes ago, Jackrabbit said:

Really...the only option Wyoming has is Obamacare...and is trying to bring in some kind of competition....but thats not the arguement here.

Trumps EO should not have been needed in the first place.

The only thing that makes any sense at all if for the federal govt to standardize health insurance standards across state lines so we dot have to deal with this horseshit.

 

Wyoming is never going to have competitive capitalist healthcare on its own.  It is too small. 

What type of "competition" are you hoping for?  How many Doctors and hospitals are there in Casper?  Are you really going to go to a different hospital?  Doctors and hospitals are price makers and insurance companies just pass on the costs to the consumer.  You can have 50 insurers and they are all going to have to pay high costs and cover them somehow.

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1 minute ago, Jackrabbit said:

Really...the only option Wyoming has is Obamacare...and is trying to bring in some kind of competition....but thats not the arguement here.

Trumps EO should not have been needed in the first place.

The only thing that makes any sense at all if for the federal govt to standardize health insurance standards across state lines so we dot have to deal with this horseshit.

 

But isn't the "one size fits all approach" one of the biggest complaints about the ACA?

IMO, we need a basic national health care program which has absolutely nothing to do with employment.

I've mentioned this many times before, and you if you have employees on a company plan you know better than most, but it is incredibly inefficient for unrelated businesses to be involved in healthcare/insurance administration.

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1 hour ago, Akkula said:

Wyoming is never going to have competitive capitalist healthcare on its own.  It is too small. 

What type of "competition" are you hoping for?  How many Doctors and hospitals are there in Casper?  Are you really going to go to a different hospital?  Doctors and hospitals are price makers and insurance companies just pass on the costs to the consumer.  You can have 50 insurers and they are all going to have to pay high costs and cover them somehow.

 

1 hour ago, renoskier said:

But isn't the "one size fits all approach" one of the biggest complaints about the ACA?

IMO, we need a basic national health care program which has absolutely nothing to do with employment.

I've mentioned this many times before, and you if you have employees on a company plan you know better than most, but it is incredibly inefficient for unrelated businesses to be involved in healthcare/insurance administration.

My company will pay travel and  lodging to go to fort collins or slc.   Many procedures cost 50% and it keeps our premiums down.

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7 hours ago, NVGiant said:

I'm absolutely against the idea, but it is indeed an interesting exercise. I have certainly wondered whether Oregon, Washington, and California, together would have the resources they would need to make a go of it. I think they would. But that is assuming Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon, and Central California — or at least Central California, which is in Cascadia in your scenario — remain in the fold. Regardless, any bloodless separation would be highly unlikely and should be factored in, too. And I don't really like the idea of shooting at Idahoans,  and them shooting back at me, even if they want to strip away my right to treat ketchup as a self-sustaining condiment.

Can't see inland WA, OR & CA wanting to join the coastal elites !!! Could See Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming & the Dakotas forming their own empire - With the capital in SLC, this gives the LDS a 2nd chance to create deseret and they only need to convert the heathen's in parts of MT, WY, & Dakota's - figure they have Idaho & Utah wrapped up - Might include NV's Elko, White Pine, Lincoln, Humboldt, Lander & Eureka counties 

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3 hours ago, Jackrabbit said:

The tenth amendment specifically defines what the federal gov is allowed to do. We ignore it because it is not taught anymore.

Executive orders should only be used in an emergency and require congress to vote on it within 30 days.

Congress giving unelected govt bureaucrats decision powers happens all the time..... is very wrong

All are examples of us stupidly voting our rights away for a few federal  trinkets.

Now we fight each other rather than fighting the cause of it all.

 

Have you told your hero Trump?   He has no clue how to govern without them.  Even when a bill has Tri-partisan support he still issues executive orders.  

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2 hours ago, renoskier said:

But isn't the "one size fits all approach" one of the biggest complaints about the ACA?

IMO, we need a basic national health care program which has absolutely nothing to do with employment.

I've mentioned this many times before, and you if you have employees on a company plan you know better than most, but it is incredibly inefficient for unrelated businesses to be involved in healthcare/insurance administration.

The idea that you can fix healthcare by not completely blowing up the current system is a pipe dream,  as Obama showed.   You have to completely eliminate employer based coverage. 

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50 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Can't see inland WA, OR & CA wanting to join the coastal elites !!! Could See Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming & the Dakotas forming their own empire - With the capital in SLC, this gives the LDS a 2nd chance to create deseret and they only need to convert the heathen's in parts of MT, WY, & Dakota's - figure they have Idaho & Utah wrapped up - Might include NV's Elko, White Pine, Lincoln, Humboldt, Lander & Eureka counties 

Mormons are ~19% of Idaho’s population. But you just keep making shit up, it’s what you do best. Lol

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4 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Akkulla: *sees person of color*  Thinks "I wonder what they were charged with".

Yeah, not racist at all.

 

Happy Simon Cowell GIF by America's Got TalentVery well put HMHB

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1 hour ago, BSUTOP25 said:

Mormons are ~19% of Idaho’s population. But you just keep making shit up, it’s what you do best. Lol

Bet the LDS % is higher from Boise to Twin Falls to Poky to Idaho Falls since it's within a days drive of the mother-ship HQ - Granted the pan handle has Nazi's & KKK at a higher % 

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1 hour ago, BSUTOP25 said:

Mormons are ~19% of Idaho’s population. But you just keep making shit up, it’s what you do best. Lol

Idaho https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/facts-and-statistics/state/idaho

462,069 LDS 

Total Church Membership

26.91% or 1 in 4 

Which of that I bet close to 40/50% are in elected office 

When Idaho was given statehood in 1890, Latter-day Saints comprised about one-fifth of the state's population. A few Church Presidents have been natives of Idaho: Presidents Harold B. Lee, Ezra Taft Benson, and Howard W. Hunter.

Ricks Academy, founded in 1888, later became a junior college that was renamed Ricks College. In 2001 the school became a four-year university and was renamed Brigham Young University-Idaho.

 

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2 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Bet the LDS % is higher from Boise to Twin Falls to Poky to Idaho Falls since it's within a days drive of the mother-ship HQ - Granted the pan handle has Nazi's & KKK at a higher % 

Again, another falsehood. You relinquished your mod status yet? You’re unfit to be a moderator.

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2 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Idaho https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/facts-and-statistics/state/idaho

462,069 LDS 

Total Church Membership

26.91% or 1 in 4 

Which of that I bet close to 40/50% are in elected office 

When Idaho was given statehood in 1890, Latter-day Saints comprised about one-fifth of the state's population. A few Church Presidents have been natives of Idaho: Presidents Harold B. Lee, Ezra Taft Benson, and Howard W. Hunter.

Ricks Academy, founded in 1888, later became a junior college that was renamed Ricks College. In 2001 the school became a four-year university and was renamed Brigham Young University-Idaho.

 

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You stupid commie. Give up your mod status, you’re unfit.

According to the Pew Research Center on Religion & Public Life, the self-identified religious affiliations of Idahoans over the age of 18 in 2008 and 2014 were:

Denomination 2008[56] 2014[57][58]
Christian, including: 81% 67%
* Evangelical Protestant 22% 21%
* Mainline Protestant 16% 16%
* Catholic 18% 10%
* Eastern Orthodox < 0.5% 1%
* Historically Black Protestant < 0.5% < 1%
* The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 23% 19%
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12 hours ago, NVGiant said:

Yes and no. In an almost entirely rural state like Wyoming, I admit this makes perfect sense. But this isn't just a fight over federalism. @Bob is right. This is a divide between rural and urban, and in states like Oregon, it is painfully obvious. 

In many states, the urban / rural divide became a problem after the one man one vote cases of the 1960s particularly Reynolds vs Sims.

Prior to Reynolds vs Sims the two chambers in many legislatures used a US Congress model, one chamber based on equal population districts and one based on geography districts (often a county). That gave some balance to the urban / rural divide.

After Reynolds vs Sims all state legislative districts had to be fairly equal populations. That put more numbers in legislatures from the highest population areas that plays out today in California, Oregon, etc.

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3 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Bet the LDS % is higher from Boise to Twin Falls to Poky to Idaho Falls since it's within a days drive of the mother-ship HQ - Granted the pan handle has Nazi's & KKK at a higher % 

Lol, you clearly know nothing of Northern Idaho.

The "compounds" have long since been ran out of the state.  Northern Idaho is a haven for super rich liberals who retired from Washington, Oregon and California.  As well as farmers and Native Americans.  You would feel right at home in Sandpoint. Although as most native populations are pro 2A, you would get scared from time to time.

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