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17 hours ago, Spaztecs said:

Law and Order.

You can't have have both. The Law says we have a right to redress our grievances to the Guv. It's right there in the 1st Amendment. Before the fave of the Right which is the 2nd Amendment. The one the Libs want to eliminate.

Meaning the Right to Peaceably assemble. That's the Amendment the Far Right wants to alter to protect the part about Religious Liberty, but wants to eliminate the rest of it. That one 

If you want Order, it has been proven necessary to disregard the First Amendment Rights we supposedly have, by fire hosing our Citizens, murdering them, loosing attack dogs on them, and other heinous acts to prevent us from addressing our grievances.

 

Sad, sad situation.

 

Peaceably is the key word here. Throwing rocks and bottles at police and looting and destroying property doesn’t fall under peaceably. 

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If Chauvin is found innocent what we’ve recently seen is going to pale in comparison to what will happen. It will get extremely ugly. I doubt he will be found innocent. 

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5 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Peaceably is the key word here. Throwing rocks and bottles at police and looting and destroying property doesn’t fall under peaceably. 

Absolutely right here.  Which is what makes it a concern with protests.  If protests are halted due to not being peaceful, what stops any jackass to go to a protest they don't like and start being unruly?  Which has been cited in a few arrests with the recent protests (both virus and Floyd).  How do we maintain our constitutional rights from essentially terrorists that infiltrate protests?  What about government entities fanning the flames to get protesters to do something to give an opening to say "no longer peaceful"?  I think that is exactly what we saw with cops slashing tires and slicing open water bottles, as well as the gas and rubber.

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3 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Absolutely right here.  Which is what makes it a concern with protests.  If protests are halted due to not being peaceful, what stops any jackass to go to a protest they don't like and start being unruly?  Which has been cited in a few arrests with the recent protests (both virus and Floyd).  How do we maintain our constitutional rights from essentially terrorists that infiltrate protests?  What about government entities fanning the flames to get protesters to do something to give an opening to say "no longer peaceful"?  I think that is exactly what we saw with cops slashing tires and slicing open water bottles, as well as the gas and rubber.

Peaceful protesters need to take control and turn disrupters over to the police. They usually outnumber the disrupters by a large margin so that shouldn’t be a problem handling a few that choose not to be peaceful. 

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7 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

If Chauvin is found innocent what we’ve recently seen is going to pale in comparison to what will happen. It will get extremely ugly. 

He gets off on second-degree murder, but second-degree manslaughter and third-degree murder are still there, and he isn't getting off on manslaughter.  They are probably trying to get him with third degree murder, and are using the second-degree murder to negotiate.  Ironically, that is one of the tactics heavily used by the judicial system against the poor frequently to obtain plea deals.

 

ETA:  my concern is justifiably exonerating the rookie cop, and people flip out because they don't know that part of the story.

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1 minute ago, soupslam1 said:

Peaceful protesters need to take control and turn disrupters over to the police. 

Many have.  Some have been beaten by the disrupters, and some were mistakenly arrested and assaulted by police while turning them in.  Not everyone wants to attack folks with weapons in their hand.  Video is essentially their best option.

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2 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

If Chauvin is found innocent what we’ve recently seen is going to pale in comparison to what will happen. It will get extremely ugly. 

Minneapolis will burn if that happens.

And it very well could depending on what happens pre-trial. Change of venue to a Trump-loving suburb, for instance, could secure a mistrial at least.

 

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4 minutes ago, youngredbullfan said:

Minneapolis will burn if that happens.

And it very well could depending on what happens pre-trial. Change of venue to a Trump-loving suburb, for instance, could secure a mistrial at least.

 

This assumes that a "Trump-loving suburb" is filled with people who don't believe Chauvin did anything wrong.  I live in Trump-loving country.  Haven't met a single person who thinks Chauvin is innocent.  Dead serious.

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2 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

This assumes that a "Trump-loving suburb" is filled with people who don't believe Chauvin did anything wrong.  I live in Trump-loving country.  Haven't met a single person who thinks Chauvin is innocent.  Dead serious.

When subjected to the sure-to-come character assasination of Floyd, the biased coroner's report, etc., Trump-loving country's instinctive bootlicking will be activated. 

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36 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

That makes me harken back to my army basic training days when part of the training was to spray chlorine gas on us while crawling under a barb wire grid and see who could quickly get their gas mask on and sealed. Several poor bastards failed. The other part was making us enter a gas filled bunker with our mask on, take it off, recite, our serial number, and run out of the bunker. That shit burns sweaty skin, mask or not. 

When I got to my final unit in 2004 I committed a rookie mistake. I failed to inspect my gas mask when it was issued to me. I was in a hurry to get the check in process done and get to work unphucking the my new shop. I inherited a mess from the previous NCOIC. 6 months later I have to go to the gas chamber for annual block training. I get in the chamber and to my surprise my mask doesn’t have filters in it. My dumbass decided to just suck it up and ride it out. That was by far the worst gas chamber experience I ever had. 10X worse than boot camp. I rectified the no filter situation that day! It’s funny as hell now looking back, but damn that day sucked!

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2 minutes ago, youngredbullfan said:

When subjected to the sure-to-come character assasination of Floyd, the biased coroner's report, etc., Trump-loving country's instinctive bootlicking will be activated. 

I actually doubt it.  His character has already been negatively brought up, coroner's report has already been refuted, and the video is pretty damning.  Again, I don't think he gets the second-degree murder, but manslaughter should be pretty easy to get the conviction.  What would be key is the rookie cop's testimony.

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1 minute ago, sean327 said:

When I got to my final unit in 2004 I committed a rookie mistake. I failed to inspect my gas mask when it was issued to me. I was in a hurry to get the check in process done and get to work unphucking the my new shop. I inherited a mess from the previous NCOIC. 6 months later I have to go to the gas chamber for annual block training. I get in the chamber and to my surprise my mask doesn’t have filters in it. My dumbass decided to just suck it up and ride it out. That was by far the worst gas chamber experience I ever had. 10X worse than boot camp. I rectified the no filter situation that day! It’s funny as hell now looking back, but damn that day sucked!

I wish I would have been there.   Not because I don't like you, but to watch a SNCO lose his shit in the chamber was always funny to us, even if we were friendly with one another.  Just one of those Marine Corps dynamics.  :D

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No more Mississippi Confederate Flag as of yesterday's Special Session in the Magnolia State.

Finally.

Bye this.

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Hopefully they all vote in something like Lebanon Cypress Tree flag, with a Magnolia thingie instead.  And of course the mandatory "In God We Trust" requirement. 

 

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26 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Absolutely right here.  Which is what makes it a concern with protests.  If protests are halted due to not being peaceful, what stops any jackass to go to a protest they don't like and start being unruly?  Which has been cited in a few arrests with the recent protests (both virus and Floyd).  How do we maintain our constitutional rights from essentially terrorists that infiltrate protests?  What about government entities fanning the flames to get protesters to do something to give an opening to say "no longer peaceful"?  I think that is exactly what we saw with cops slashing tires and slicing open water bottles, as well as the gas and rubber.

Or for that matter cointelpro type situations. we, uh, do not have a good history with any protest movement. 

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7 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said:

I wish I would have been there.   Not because I don't like you, but to watch a SNCO lose his shit in the chamber was always funny to us, even if we were friendly with one another.  Just one of those Marine Corps dynamics.  :D

I played it off pretty well. Just stood there and took my punishment for being a dumbass. 

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11 minutes ago, Coog kev said:

No more Mississippi Confederate Flag as of yesterday's Special Session in the Magnolia State.

Finally.

Bye this.

image.jpeg.aa885dbdad38caf34dffffa5452f582e.jpeg

 

Hopefully they all vote in something like Lebanon Cypress Tree flag, with a Magnolia thingie instead.  And of course the mandatory "In God We Trust" requirement. 

 

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I'm surprised the Georgia flag hasn't had a controversy.  Until this recent discussion about Mississippi's falg, I didn't know that the Georgia flag is essentially the actual flag of the confederates with the Georgia seal added. Not sure why the actual flag of the confederacy is less offensive than the battle flag. Even crazier to me is that the Georgia flag is new from 2003.

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34 minutes ago, youngredbullfan said:

When subjected to the sure-to-come character assasination of Floyd, the biased coroner's report, etc., Trump-loving country's instinctive bootlicking will be activated. 

i feel like it's already happened

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35 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said:

i feel like it's already happened

It has. I have a few friends who are using the “ but he was a convicted criminal and druggie” card.

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Georgia and Mississippi were the only ones post 1865 to have their CSA legacy sealed in new state flagdom.  None of the others did so. 

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1 hour ago, sean327 said:

It has. I have a few friends who are using the “ but he was a convicted criminal and druggie” card.

I had someone who considers himself religious say that to me.

I pointed out that George Floyd was in Minneapolis on a church sponsored discipleship and job training program. He was working to change his life which is all any of us can do.

I also showed him this Christianity Today article about Floyd and his Houston church work. It includes a picture of George Floyd holding a Bible with a church group.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/may/george-floyd-ministry-houston-third-ward-church.html

The other person did not know how to reply after that.

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