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22 minutes ago, Rambouche said:

I'd love that for CSU... Their peer schools by geography and academics and the land grant schools in the Midwest and West...KState/CSU games would be super fun.

In my scenario that's what would happen.........the better / potential of the MWC would have to try to align with the leftovers from the shattered P5

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13 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

SEC - Florida Georgia Tennessee Alabama Auburn LSU A&M ..........Out Kentucky Missouri South Carolina Vanderbilt Arkansas Mississippi Miss St 

Big10 - Michigan Mich St Ohio St Penn St Nebraska Wisconsin Iowa ..........Out Indiana Maryland Rutgers Illinois Minnesota Northwestern Purdue 

Pac12 - USC Oregon Washington Colorado UCLA  Arizona Arizona St  ................Out Stanford Cal Utah Oregon St Washington St  

ACC - Clemson Florida St Notre Dame Miami UNC Virginia Tech ..............Out Boston College Louisville NC State Syracuse Wake Forest Duke Georgia Tech Pittsburgh Virginia 

Big 12 - Texas Oklahoma Texas Tech Oklahoma St ................ Out Baylor Iowa St Kansas Kansas St TCU West Virginia 

7 from the SEC........7 from the B10..........7 from the PAC12 .............6 from the ACC..................4 from the B12 ...............thats 31............ could argue to remove some that I listed such as ASU & UA from PAC12, UNC & VA Tech from ACC, & TT & OSU from B12..........removing those schools would leave 25 so maybe on other gets cut like Colorado or Iowa ..........then you're down to 24 pretty much blue blood programs ........those 24 form their own governing body and make their own TV deals 

Then you'd have the green leftovers having to either align themselves or add in a mix of the best potential of the AAC & MWC.............from there the leftovers of the MWC & AAC would have to scramble to align with CUSA & Sun Belt as the lowest level 

This could end up being a three tiered college set up one where the top level completely ignores the lower levels .........the two relagined lower levels could inter-play and still remain under some revised NCAA governance 

 

I like it. I'd add Arizona and CU to the drop column. Both have been awful for a long time and don't seem to be working towards being football factories. Baylor and Utah get the call up.

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24 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

SEC - Florida Georgia Tennessee Alabama Auburn LSU A&M ..........Out Kentucky Missouri South Carolina Vanderbilt Arkansas Mississippi Miss St 

Big10 - Michigan Mich St Ohio St Penn St Nebraska Wisconsin Iowa ..........Out Indiana Maryland Rutgers Illinois Minnesota Northwestern Purdue 

Pac12 - USC Oregon Washington Colorado UCLA  Arizona Arizona St  ................Out Stanford Cal Utah Oregon St Washington St  

ACC - Clemson Florida St Notre Dame Miami UNC Virginia Tech ..............Out Boston College Louisville NC State Syracuse Wake Forest Duke Georgia Tech Pittsburgh Virginia 

Big 12 - Texas Oklahoma Texas Tech Oklahoma St ................ Out Baylor Iowa St Kansas Kansas St TCU West Virginia 

7 from the SEC........7 from the B10..........7 from the PAC12 .............6 from the ACC..................4 from the B12 ...............thats 31............ could argue to remove some that I listed such as ASU & UA from PAC12, UNC & VA Tech from ACC, & TT & OSU from B12..........removing those schools would leave 25 so maybe on other gets cut like Colorado or Iowa ..........then you're down to 24 pretty much blue blood programs ........those 24 form their own governing body and make their own TV deals 

Then you'd have the green leftovers having to either align themselves or add in a mix of the best potential of the AAC & MWC.............from there the leftovers of the MWC & AAC would have to scramble to align with CUSA & Sun Belt as the lowest level 

This could end up being a three tiered college set up one where the top level completely ignores the lower levels .........the two relagined lower levels could inter-play and still remain under some revised NCAA governance 

 

I love these realignment threads.  Jocularity...

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19 minutes ago, RSF said:

I love these realignment threads.  Jocularity...

It's like a theoretical strategy game 

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Hi.  I dug up this article this morning from 2017 re 2023 (after I did a quick read on P5 major football contracts expiration upcoming following inspiration from an XII revenue distribution article).  Anywho..by 2023 it won't be about the conventional major distribution channels anymore. With so many cord cutters, it will be on My Own Device platform.  Something on the wall with a huge black line going into a wall (NO).  Something in my hand on a small screen/something on my table sans wireless. 

Different platforms will intrude much in 2023.  Thankfully.  B1G was the first to introduce major change with proprietary B1G network.  By 2023 it will be all about that and more.  Private 3rd tier rights on other platforms may have a very strong say in things. 

2017 ESPN Article

 

XII Revenue Distribution Today

 

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I wanna see:

USC & UCLA to the B1G -16 teams in the B1G.

West Virginia & NC State to the SEC - 16 teams in the SEC.

Cincinnati to the ACC + 14 teams to the ACC plus Notre Dame schedule agreement.

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Stanford, CAL to the 9 team Big 12- 14 team Big 12.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Utah, BYU, Colorado State, SDSU, Boise State, Wyoming, Utah State, UNLV will be the new PAC-12.

Id like to see Army and Navy in the ACC and Air Force and Hawaii in the PAC- 14 but it wouldn't happen. Obviously this is based off of being a Boise State fan and this gets is on the big boy club. I do think the PAC-12 is losing members. If the Big 12 Adds Oregon and Washington as well that would kill Boise States chances. But do Big 12 teams really wanna go to Eugene and Seattle to play football in the rain and cold? How good is recruiting in the Pacific Northwest? Would Washington and Oregon leave their rivals? I don't think so. Not if they can stay in the club.

 

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There's no chance that if

59 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

I wanna see:

USC & UCLA to the B1G -16 teams in the B1G.

West Virginia & NC State to the SEC - 16 teams in the SEC.

Cincinnati to the ACC + 14 teams to the ACC plus Notre Dame schedule agreement.

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Stanford, CAL to the 9 team Big 12- 14 team Big 12.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Utah, BYU, Colorado State, SDSU, Boise State, Wyoming, Utah State, UNLV will be the new PAC-12.

Id like to see Army and Navy in the ACC and Air Force and Hawaii in the PAC- 14 but it wouldn't happen. Obviously this is based off of being a Boise State fan and this gets is on the big boy club. I do think the PAC-12 is losing members. If the Big 12 Adds Oregon and Washington as well that would kill Boise States chances. But do Big 12 teams really wanna go to Eugene and Seattle to play football in the rain and cold? How good is recruiting in the Pacific Northwest? Would Washington and Oregon leave their rivals? I don't think so. Not if they can stay in the club.

Fail.

The first scenario would be geographically impossible. The second would be culturally impossible.

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Another article predicting the death of CUSA. I tend to agree. From the bbs board.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/05/29/it-past-time-for-radical-change-in-conference-usa/


It’s past time for radical change in Conference USA
BY RICK CLEVELAND, SPORTS COLUMNIST  | MAY 29, 2020

A common sense article on CUSA from the bbs realignment board.
By Rick Cleveland (I have never heard of him but he makes sense in this article.)

The first thing I’d do as commissioner of Conference USA? I’d blow it up.

It doesn’t work.

It didn’t work long before the pandemic. It certainly won’t work now.

Most of all, the economics don’t work. There’s too much travel, not nearly enough revenue.

In many ways, the league was designed – and has been altered over the years – with TV markets in mind. That’s why FIU and FAU were accepted as members in 2013, to regain the Florida TV market lost when first South Florida and UCF exited. That’s why UTSA was accepted in 2013. San Antonio is a big city with lots of TVs.

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Most of us know the truth of this article but I don't see an answer. It is a pathetic conference with no or very few good teams. I see no schools which the MWC or the AAC would be willing to take. Even if they were combined with the Sun Belt few really interesting matches would occur. Likely NO matches which would draw big TV numbers.

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The first one up is B1G in 2023.  They're kinda bloated following Rutgers and Maryland last time...still digesting that 'market share' mess.  IF B1G expands a bit it's only AAU Texas and Kansas. You gotta be super exclusive AAU to be in B1G, despite the Nebraska debacle (had it upon entry; lost it soon afterward).  Oklahoma is not AAU. 

ACC is locked to the middle 2030s.  As is most of SEC, which rules the roost with B1G.  XII can make it well beyond 2025 without doing anything unless one or two of them bolts.

Whither PAC. We'll see about that in a few years.

PAC and XII will make new dominoes at best depending on B1G 2023. 

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3 hours ago, Ibanez said:

I wanna see:

USC & UCLA to the B1G -16 teams in the B1G.

West Virginia & NC State to the SEC - 16 teams in the SEC.

Cincinnati to the ACC + 14 teams to the ACC plus Notre Dame schedule agreement.

Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Stanford, CAL to the 9 team Big 12- 14 team Big 12.

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Utah, BYU, Colorado State, SDSU, Boise State, Wyoming, Utah State, UNLV will be the new PAC-12.

Id like to see Army and Navy in the ACC and Air Force and Hawaii in the PAC- 14 but it wouldn't happen. Obviously this is based off of being a Boise State fan and this gets is on the big boy club. I do think the PAC-12 is losing members. If the Big 12 Adds Oregon and Washington as well that would kill Boise States chances. But do Big 12 teams really wanna go to Eugene and Seattle to play football in the rain and cold? How good is recruiting in the Pacific Northwest? Would Washington and Oregon leave their rivals? I don't think so. Not if they can stay in the club.

 

Fresno State would get in before Wyoming or Utah State.  Better and bigger facilities(football needs upgrading), better overall sports programs and larger TV market.  Nothing at all against those two schools but just my take.

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Folks can dream about 2023 for now. IF low hanging fruit PAC expands, it's San Diego State and Boise.  PAC will remain western only despite good gets Air Force and UH of Texas. 

XII is the core domino theory.  Sitting at 10 tight squads, competing with SEC and B1G for gorilla status..I can see Cincy in there as a bridge to West Virginia. Memphis too.  An outreach to UCF and Navy. 

In the end I'm holding the line on what I really want.  Power 5.5.

The confluence of AAC and MWC with separation anxiety and annexing BYU.  The Best of the Rest Conference, We Dot Fives co-joined with tough choices to endure..and minimum $20M/unit payout base revenue with content distribution partners. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, 818SUDSFan said:

There's no chance that if

Fail.

The first scenario would be geographically impossible. The second would be culturally impossible.

I bet Rutgers to Nebraska would be Geographically impossible. Or Boston College to Miami. Or Florida to Texas A&M. Or Hawaii to Laramie.

Oh wait...

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In the spirit of throwing out random fan-based realignment scenarios, I'd love to see a PAC-16 that adds UNR, UNLV, BYU, and CSU. It takes the conference back to the in-state rival structure and locks up the growing inter-mountain West states. 

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19 hours ago, Coog kev said:

Folks can dream about 2023 for now. IF low hanging fruit PAC expands, it's San Diego State and Boise.  PAC will remain western only despite good gets Air Force and UH of Texas. 

XII is the core domino theory.  Sitting at 10 tight squads, competing with SEC and B1G for gorilla status..I can see Cincy in there as a bridge to West Virginia. Memphis too.  An outreach to UCF and Navy. 

In the end I'm holding the line on what I really want.  Power 5.5.

The confluence of AAC and MWC with separation anxiety and annexing BYU.  The Best of the Rest Conference, We Dot Fives co-joined with tough choices to endure..and minimum $20M/unit payout base revenue with content distribution partners. 

 

 

The only way Boise State EVER gets into the Pac is if the conference is willing to change its academic status for members.  It's great to talk theoretically about conferences as it relates to sports, but that's really not the primary reason for their formation.

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29 minutes ago, SparkysDad said:

The only way Boise State EVER gets into the Pac is if the conference is willing to change its academic status for members.  It's great to talk theoretically about conferences as it relates to sports, but that's really not the primary reason for their formation.

Hey Huckleberry, if the PAC-12 lost four to six members you can bet your ass they are gonna take their top four to six choices and that choice is gonna be about money, especially football money. So BYU, SDSU, Boise State, and I'm guessing Air Force or Colorado State will be getting a call. They will do everything they can not to get dropped from P5 status 

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18 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

Hey Huckleberry, if the PAC-12 lost four to six members you can bet your ass they are gonna take their top four to six choices and that choice is gonna be about money, especially football money. So BYU, SDSU, Boise State, and I'm guessing Air Force or Colorado State will be getting a call. They will do everything they can not to get dropped from P5 status 

 

20 hours ago, Coog kev said:

Folks can dream about 2023 for now. IF low hanging fruit PAC expands, it's San Diego State and Boise.  PAC will remain western only despite good gets Air Force and UH of Texas. 

XII is the core domino theory.  Sitting at 10 tight squads, competing with SEC and B1G for gorilla status..I can see Cincy in there as a bridge to West Virginia. Memphis too.  An outreach to UCF and Navy. 

In the end I'm holding the line on what I really want.  Power 5.5.

The confluence of AAC and MWC with separation anxiety and annexing BYU.  The Best of the Rest Conference, We Dot Fives co-joined with tough choices to endure..and minimum $20M/unit payout base revenue with content distribution partners. 

 

 

You guys are so phucking hilarious with your endless realignment threads.

The question you should be asking is whether college football will even exist in 10 years. :shrug:

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25 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

Hey Huckleberry, if the PAC-12 lost four to six members you can bet your ass they are gonna take their top four to six choices and that choice is gonna be about money, especially football money. So BYU, SDSU, Boise State, and I'm guessing Air Force or Colorado State will be getting a call. They will do everything they can not to get dropped from P5 status 

Its funny how you always eliminate Fresno State.

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55 minutes ago, renoskier said:

 

You guys are so phucking hilarious with your endless realignment threads.

The question you should be asking is whether college football will even exist in 10 years. :shrug:

Absolutely Yes.  I reread the CBS op-ed within the Bigger Thang.  The Power Five are lobbying Congress hard for the inevitable.  Players rights regarding individual branding and licensing.  Football is the main source.  It's not limited. A stud gymnast lady (I'm thinking Simone Briles connected to my alma mater let alone Oklahoma's fine gymnastics) for example.  Hoops stars. Big butt baseball dudes chewing tobaccy weeds supporting Scott's miracle grow in their neck of the woods. 

Like it or not, college sports in America are gonna be more commercialized, more distributed, more than anything ever before within an efficient time frame.  And I fully support it all.  The Power Five already took the baby steps of allowing athletes to have 'walking around money' in lieu of buying a mandatory college meal plan (but not housing).  It's the 'walking around money' athletic Stipend for a couple of grand.  $2k seems to be the rule of thumb.   

I strongly disagree that the AAC has some sort of inherent right to join the Power Five.  Granted its done its best to prove so, but as it exists today...that's not gonna cut it.

ReThink.  ReDo.  If you're not cutting the mustard betwixt AAC and MWC and our combined moving parts....EDIT.  As in removal of current members to wind up at most 16.  I like 14.

Once done, gun for PAC as it exists to displace them and outperform them financially and competitively. 

And ya..it's 2020.  Conjecture until 2023.

p.s. but not before the commercial rights of student-athletes.  I mean players.  You better be in Power league to woo them over outta high school.  America loves its sports.  Only baseball jumps from high school to professional with its plethora of minor league development squads.  Hoops is in the middle. Football doesn't do that at all. It's all about the college pipeline to NFL.  This won't change.  The Power 5 will. 

Power 6!

 

 

 

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IF we decide to Collectively Do This in a couple of years and form the Power 6 and not 5.5...a 14 team league coast to coast. 

The western side will have to decide on its own.  On the AAC side I offer this.  Cincy, UCF, Memphis, Navy all sports (no split league), UH, Temple and team X.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Ibanez said:

Hey Huckleberry, if the PAC-12 lost four to six members you can bet your ass they are gonna take their top four to six choices and that choice is gonna be about money, especially football money. So BYU, SDSU, Boise State, and I'm guessing Air Force or Colorado State will be getting a call. They will do everything they can not to get dropped from P5 status 

If the Pac loses 6, IMHO it's more likely they merge conferences with another existing P5 than inviting smaller media markets, lesser academics and for the most part, lesser athletic programs.  If you take the potentially 6 strongest Pac programs that might remain (USC, Washington, Oregon, UCLA, maybe one of the Arizona schools and Stanford or Colorado?) and "make them available", I promise the Big 12 would be interested. And it would give the Big 12 the opportunity to drop or at least put pressure on their own bottom feeders.  Fewer mouths to feed and the stronger of the P5 programs means more money for each.

Kinda logical in my mind...

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