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@thelawlorfaithful

The Attica riots successfully resulted in prison reform both within the state of New York and nationally. There's an example of violence directly resulting in social change. 

However, it's worth noting that those reforms (perhaps the biggest of which was educational opportunities for inmates) were ultimately bent in ways that serve the security apparatus of the institution more than they serve the purposes of reforming inmates. So maybe it's not an example.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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3 minutes ago, Maynard Delecto said:

We look the other way as tens of millions of infants have been killed in their mother's womb.

The feigned shock and outrage angle is just not working for you guys here.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miscarriages-abortion-jail-el-salvador/

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Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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10 minutes ago, Maynard Delecto said:

We look the other way as tens of millions of infants have been killed in their mother's womb.

The feigned shock and outrage angle is just not working for you guys here.

Are you talking about the infant mortality rate that is higher in the U.S. then other developed nations and disproportionately higher among black infants? I agree, it’s a tragedy that we need to talk about more. 

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5 minutes ago, Bob said:

I also thought, the nation (and now the whole civilized world seemingly) is protesting, looting, destroying, vandalizing this of all things. The media would have you think people are getting mowed down right and left. 

I'm just wondering what the hell you are watching to give you that impression....

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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1 minute ago, Maynard Delecto said:

Murdering a child who can not speak for itself, and who has done nothing wrong is the ultimate in Denial of Due Process. El Salvador would be a step up from our system of "Justice"

Yes, letting the pope dictate public policy and locking up women who had miscarriages would be great. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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Several of the nations big city mayors think they're hurting Trump by letting their towns get destroyed.   

People had already begun leaving cities...now it will be in droves.   This will deepen income and social divides....property values will suffer...taxes increase, etc etc.

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43 minutes ago, tspoke said:

He said this while flash banging tear gassing and shooting with rubber bullets peaceful protesters across the street so he could have a photo op. 

You can literally hear flash bangs going of as he says this. 

My guess is they were probably asked to leave the area and refused to do so. Your guess is Trump told the police to go tear gas and shoot those people with rubber bullets because the king is coming through.

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1 minute ago, soupslam1 said:

My guess is they were probably asked to leave the area and refused to do so. Your guess is Trump told the police to go tear gas and shoot those people with rubber bullets because the king is coming through.

I have not seen any reports that there was any warning. If you have any, I'd like to see it.... On the other hand I ha e seen many saying there was no warning... So I go with what I have read. You assume that they must have given a warning because it looks bad if they weren't. 

 

The protesters were there peacefully and lawfully. There was no reason to be tear gassed even with warnings. 

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11 minutes ago, Jackrabbit said:

People had already begun leaving cities...now it will be in droves.   

My understanding is that urban areas, particularly in the rust belt, were experiencing massive revitalization; gentrification even. 

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51 minutes ago, tspoke said:

Antifa is not the same as anarchists. 

 

I don't think antifa(whatever the loose coalition of people who call themselves that is) is very involved in this. They tend to show up at right wing rallies to start shit. People I think use Antifa for a Wierd catch all when its really anarchists. +++++ those guys. But most everyone hates anarchists and they aren't really on the left like Antifa so the president has to make antifa(who are more aligned with the left)the bad guys.

 

 

I get the feeling that a big percentage of people who get classified by the media as ANTIFA don't have a real sound platform they believe in. Everything from woke tourists to crust punks to champagne socialists an a whole lot in between. 

For actual anarchists, look to the G6 and WTO VERY organized and violent protests. 

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4 minutes ago, tspoke said:

I have not seen any reports that there was any warning. If you have any, I'd like to see it.... On the other hand I ha e seen many saying there was no warning... So I go with what I have read. You assume that they must have given a warning because it looks bad if they weren't. 

 

The protesters were there peacefully and lawfully. There was no reason to be tear gassed even with warnings. 

So I take it you believe the protesters were tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets for the sport of it? I was just guessing. Maybe you are right?

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1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said:

Yes, letting the pope dictate public policy and locking up women who had miscarriages would be great. 

Putting words in my mouth might make you feel better about murder, but it doens't make it right. My words are taboo and not allowed in the United States of the Anti-christ, so I'm just dealing with facts

You can claim to believe in this "justice" system and its right to due process. You can believe it's ok to murder a child in its mother's womb. You can't believe both.

 

 

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1 hour ago, tspoke said:

He said this while flash banging tear gassing and shooting with rubber bullets peaceful protesters across the street so he could have a photo op. 

You can literally hear flash bangs going of as he says this. 

https://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/dc-george-floyd-protests-day-4/

https://twitter.com/AugensteinWTOP?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

According to WTOP reporter Neal Augenstein, it isn't clear cut what happened with the protesters.  The U.S. Park Police is saying that some people began throwing water bottles at officers around the the time that Pres. Trump began speaking, which led to a decision to clear the protesters from the square.  The Park Police said it was unaware that the President would be heading to St. John's church (sounds like hardly anyone was aware this would happen) after his speech and that they did not use tear gas.  It is unclear of whether other agencies may have used tear gas or if tear gas was actually used or if it was just smoke canisters. Some people are claiming that warnings were given to disperse, other people on site say if they were they weren't audible to most people in the crowd. The reality is force was used but it is unclear of the exact chain of events is that led up to it. 

Personally, I find it highly unlikely that the Pres. would pre-arrange to order tear gas launched at protesters during his speech when there had been no major problems in DC up to that point that day.   Pres. Trump was probably unaware of the specific actions taken to clear Lafayette Square (he was probably you know focusing on his speech) other than being told that the square had been cleared so he could walk to St. John's.  Think about the circumstances, it doesn't make sense for Trump to have ordered tear gas and bullets fired at the protesters right when he is talking about having peaceful protests being disrupted by violence (but who needs Occam's razor in this situation).  I am not saying other people didn't order it or that it was justified, but I don't think you can lay the blame on Trump for this.

Supposing you were in charge of security for the area around the White House (you can pretend that you are protecting Pres. Obama if that makes you feel better) and the church next door had been lit on fire the previous day and if people did start throwing stuff at your officers, would you sit there and do nothing or would you take immediate action to try and disperse the crowd before it turned into a riot?  Just asking what your recommended course of action would be.

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7 minutes ago, Maynard Delecto said:

Putting words in my mouth might make you feel better about murder, but it doens't make it right. My words are taboo and not allowed in the United States of the Anti-christ, so I'm just dealing with facts

You can claim to believe in this "justice" system and its right to due process. You can believe it's ok to murder a child in its mother's womb. You can't believe both.

 

Oh hell yeah. There are a shit load of people who believe exactly that. There is a whole lot of rationalizing about it, but that’s what they believe. 

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3 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

So I take it you believe the protesters were tear gassed and shot with rubber bullets for the sport of it? I was just guessing. Maybe you are right?

No they were tear gassed and shit at so the president could have a photo op in front of a church. 

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44 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

@thelawlorfaithful

The Attica riots successfully resulted in prison reform both within the state of New York and nationally. There's an example of violence directly resulting in social change. 

However, it's worth noting that those reforms (perhaps the biggest of which was educational opportunities for inmates) were ultimately bent in ways that serve the security apparatus of the institution more than they serve the purposes of reforming inmates. So maybe it's not an example.

I think Attica did lead to initial reforms that were mostly made in good faith. That evolved over time, as it always does.

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