Nationwide Protest and civil unrest game thread

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7 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Maybe this is the "militia" finally showing up !!! Send in the kids first of course 

 

[BSUTOP25]

5 minutes ago, tspoke said:

 

 

My trust in law enforcement has been on a steady decline since the 1990s. This video is a small sample as to why. 

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Twitler just insists on pouring more gasoline on the Reichstag fire.

 

[CV147]

11 minutes ago, BSUTOP25 said:

My trust in law enforcement has been on a steady decline since the 1990s. This video is a small sample as to why. 

People's first mistake is thinking that police are there to "serve and protect." Literally their job title is Law Enforcement Officer. They represent the state and enforce its laws (no matter how unconstitutional those laws may be).

[smltwnrckr]

8 hours ago, happycamper said:

you're on a message board whose primary function is to talk about football and basketball...?

True...and yet I find more measured and nuanced conversations here than most places.

[BSUTOP25]

7 minutes ago, CV147 said:

People's first mistake is thinking that police are there to "serve and protect." Literally their job title is Law Enforcement Officer. They represent the state and enforce its laws (no matter how unconstitutional those laws may be).

Sadly, you are correct. 

[NVGiant]

This is really good.

[sactowndog]

23 minutes ago, BSUTOP25 said:

My trust in law enforcement has been on a steady decline since the 1990s. This video is a small sample as to why. 

Yeah makes you start to believe the dude smashing windows was a cop. 

[BSUTOP25]

1 minute ago, sactowndog said:

Yeah makes you start to believe the dude smashing windows was a cop. 

I’ve had personal experience with cops bending and manipulating the truth so wouldn’t surprise me. 

[smltwnrckr]

12 minutes ago, CV147 said:

People's first mistake is thinking that police are there to "serve and protect." Literally their job title is Law Enforcement Officer. They represent the state and enforce its laws (no matter how unconstitutional those laws may be).

Correct. The right response is fewer laws, thus fewer reasons for law enforcement to intervene. 

[smltwnrckr]

2 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Correct. The right response is fewer laws, thus fewer reasons for law enforcement to intervene. 

And then take away their war toys and war tactics. Enforcing the law and waging war are different things. 

[BSUTOP25]

So question to the boarders at large — could we at least come to a majority consensus that there needs to be a completely separate entity at the state level to investigate and charge police officers involved in incidents where there is evidence of them committing a crime? This entity would have zero reporting through established law enforcement but directly to each state’s attorney general. 

[sactowndog]

1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said:

Correct. The right response is fewer laws, thus fewer reasons for law enforcement to intervene. 

Like that would have stopped this.  The right response is end qualified immunity so we can prosecute these +++++ers.  The right response his charging the officer with 2nd degree murder and not 3rd degree murder and the other 3 as accessories to murder.   

[sactowndog]

1 minute ago, BSUTOP25 said:

So question to the boarders at large — could we at least come to a majority consensus that there needs to be a completely separate entity at the state level to investigate and charge police officers involved in incidents where there is evidence of them committing a crime? This entity would have zero reporting through established law enforcement but directly to each state’s attorney general. 

Good point.  In California we have an initiative system.  Seems like a good time to put it on the ballot.  

[smltwnrckr]

Just now, BSUTOP25 said:

So question to the boarders at large — could we at least come to a majority consensus that there needs to be a completely separate entity at the state level to investigate and charge police officers involved in incidents where there is evidence of them committing a crime? This entity would have zero reporting through established law enforcement but directly to each state’s attorney general. 

Yes. Either that or be an independent wing of the local courts system. I actually think my civil grand jury idea would work pretty well. There is due process, and they would.make recommendations not actually file the charges. I'd say that putting decision on whether to prosecute in the hands in a state level official instead of a local prosecutor is a good idea.

[BSUTOP25]

Just now, sactowndog said:

Like that would have stopped this.  The right response is end qualified immunity so we can prosecute these +++++ers.  The right response his charging the officer with 2nd degree murder and not 3rd degree murder and the other 3 as accessories to murder.   

What I believe @smltwnrckr is trying to say is that there is a gross degree of over policing that leads to incidents like this. Why did the police have to immediately respond and so heavy handedly to an alleged incident involving a fake $20 bill? +++++, that’s insane. But it goes further with other arbitrary laws that disenfranchise entire communities, shit like drug possession and loitering. 

[smltwnrckr]

4 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Like that would have stopped this.  The right response is end qualified immunity so we can prosecute these +++++ers.  The right response his charging the officer with 2nd degree murder and not 3rd degree murder and the other 3 as accessories to murder.   

It would lead to less of these. And qualified immunity is never going away, nor is the inherent difficulty of prosecuting police. End the war on drugs and end all combat training and federal programs that give combat gear to cops. That is the best start imo.

[sactowndog]

Just now, smltwnrckr said:

It would lead to less of these. And qualified immunity is never going away, nor is the inherent difficulty of prosecuting police. End the war on drugs and end all combat training and federal programs that give combat gear to cops. That is the best start imo.

Yes, absolutely.  

[sactowndog]

9 minutes ago, BSUTOP25 said:

What I believe @smltwnrckr is trying to say is that there is a gross degree of over policing that leads to incidents like this. Why did the police have to immediately respond and so heavy handedly to an alleged incident involving a fake $20 bill? +++++, that’s insane. But it goes further with other arbitrary laws that disenfranchise entire communities, shit like drug possession and loitering. 

I don’t disagree with anything you have posted here but bad cops will still find a way to do this shit unless they face prosecution themselves.   To your point a state wide agency reporting to the Attorney General to oversee the cops is a must.   

[NVGiant]

This isn’t just a law enforcement issue. It’s a racial issue. Yes, confrontations with police are the most visible and often violent front. But the greater problem can’t just be washed away with fewer laws. Because it’s also the teacher who believes the white kid over the black kid when it is the white kid who is lying. It’s the liberal upper middle woman who calls the cops on the black birder, or clutching her purse when a young black man walks by. It’s laws that say crack is worse than cocaine, and it’s discriminatory lending practices that quietly put the “American Dream” out of reach. It’s the mass distortion of an act of peaceful protest by “thugs,” labeling it as Anti-American, only to wonder why “those thugs” can’t get their point across more peacefully after a city erupts in violence. It’s the belief that reverse racism is the real problem, and politicians who exploit that belief.

What is going on this week was sparked by apparent, egregious police abuse. But that is a symptom to a much larger problem.