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It's time for reparations for decedents of slaves.

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17 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Libertarianism is a fun ideological exercise many of us entertain while younger but eventually outgrow and replace with pragmatism. 

Authoritarianism is a fun ideological exercise many of us entertain while angry and in charge but eventually oppose when the other team is in power.

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17 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

The old lets just ignore history argument, classic. 

I must have missed where I said anything about "ignoring" history.  History by definition is in the past. Assuming "twas ever thus" does everyone a disservice.  Teaching young people that they cannot succeed today because of rules and societal attitudes that kept his father and grandfather down does a disservice to the child.

We should always be aware of the past, take lessons from it, change what needs to be changed and move forward.

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10 hours ago, SDSUfan said:

I must have missed where I said anything about "ignoring" history.  History by definition is in the past. Assuming "twas ever thus" does everyone a disservice.  Teaching young people that they cannot succeed today because of rules and societal attitudes that kept his father and grandfather down does a disservice to the child.

We should always be aware of the past, take lessons from it, change what needs to be changed and move forward.

This tired, lame ass argument is just an attempt to not address the fact that black people, today, do not have a level playing field in comparison to white people. 

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3 hours ago, youngrebelfan40 said:

I just don't see the wealth gap closing with a one-time payment (only). There needs to be embedded benefits that continue to make the acquisition of wealth easier, like free college. This may cost more in the long run but it will help to solve the problem.

As I recall at one time affirmative action programs did exactly that. And as I also recall, to show their appreciation, the recipients occupied and set a fire in the presidents office at the university I attended

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29 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

This tired, lame ass argument is just an attempt to not address the fact that black people, today, do not have a level playing in comparison to white people. 

And it’s never going to change as others condescendingly see them and convince them they are victims. 

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15 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

And it’s never going to change as others condescendingly see them and convince them they are victims. 

So you are saying black people have no agency and will think whatever white people choose to make them think?

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18 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

BTW, we could give every descendant of a slave a 50k check for a tiny fraction of what we have spent on COVID so far.  Think about that.  

When looking at this 5 trillion monstrosity, we could have simply cut a check for 100k to every man, woman and small business owner unemployed and saved TWO TRILLION.  That two trillion would have more than covered 50k reparations checks.

Think about that, and tell me "we simply can not afford it" when talking about reparations.  

Given the horrific things that the slaves went through, 50K is not nearly enough. I'm thinking it should be somewhere between a million dollars and a billion dollars per descendant of a slave.

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2 hours ago, SUDSFan said:

Must disagree. The burden of proof isn't on those who advocate maintenance of the status quo, the burden is on those who advocate changing the status quo. Just where do YOU think the money to pay for that should come from?

Putting it on the credit card is the status quo. That's the point.

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Blowing s*** up, followed by b-52's raining down $100 bills is not going to level the playing field. If anything, a year afterwards It would be a hundred to a thousand times worse. The majority of the people with wealth now, would be even wealthier in proportion to the general population.

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23 hours ago, sean327 said:

The point is you can make the argument for any number of groups. What about the families in NM, TX, AZ, CO, CA, and NV that had their land stolen from them even though the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo recognized Spanish Land Grants as being valid? Unfortunately every minority group has been screwed and exploited, so if you pay for one the arguments never stop for the others. 

Let's say every one of those groups, plus blacks who have "slave blood," received some sort of reparations payment.

What problems go away afterwards?  Does racism suddenly come to a screeching stop? 

Reparations would accomplish  nothing other than giving a warm fuzzy to  self important, white, shitlibs who could then claim some SJW victory without actually having to do something.

We'd have to return to Obama levels of phucktardary before an idea like that would gain any traction.  And even then it would only have appeal to the AOC type of low IQ, socialist, shitlib.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Aslowhiteguy said:

Let's say every one of those groups, plus blacks who have "slave blood," received some sort of reparations payment.

What problems go away afterwards?  Does racism suddenly come to a screeching stop? 

Reparations would accomplish  nothing other than giving a warm fuzzy to  self important, white, shitlibs who could then claim some SJW victory without actually having to do something.

We'd have to return to Obama levels of phucktardary before an idea like that would gain any traction.  And even then it would only have appeal to the AOC type of low IQ, socialist, shitlib.

 

 

you are a phucking racist! what happened to you in your life?

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3 hours ago, SalinasSpartan said:

So the gist of your argument is it’s black people’s own fault? 

Quit manufacturing racism where none exists..

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5 minutes ago, modestobulldog said:

Quit manufacturing racism where none exists..

So what do you think is the reason for the wide disparity in wealth between black and white people in the U.S.? 

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5 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

So what do you think is the reason for the wide disparity in wealth between black and white people in the U.S.? 

Same as in poor white and brown neighborhoods, education. 

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2 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Same as in poor white and brown neighborhoods, education. 

Try years and years of systemic discrimination. Especially in the housing market.

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15 minutes ago, renoskier said:

Try years and years of systemic discrimination. Especially in the housing market.

I grew up in one of those white/brown poor neighborhoods. Gangs were prevalent although not as heavily armed as they are now.  Some kids I grew up with ended up in prison. The ones that escaped did so by our parent(s) understanding education was the way out. Granted poor black kids have a tougher row to hoe because of discrimination, but it has been and can be overcome through education.

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1 minute ago, soupslam1 said:

I grew up in one of those white/brown poor neighborhoods. Some kids I grew up with ended up in prison. The ones that escaped did so by our parent(s) understanding education was the way out. Granted poor black kids have a tougher row to hoe because of discrimination, but it has been and can be overcome through education.

So you say black people have a “tougher row to hoe”, but then whine any time policy that specifically helps black people is proposed. 

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5 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

So you say black people have a “tougher row to hoe”, but then whine any time policy that specifically helps black people is proposed. 

I whine about giving people things that make them dependent. It’s one reason amongst many that black people find themselves where they are now. The Great Society was a classic example. In that case the road to hell was paved with good intentions. 

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3 hours ago, SDSUfan said:

There are plenty of reasons but if I were to recommend one single thing it would be to focus on reducing the percentage of single mothers in ALL communities. Single mothers make of a huge percentage of the poor in this country.

There are no shortcuts in life.  There's something called the "Golden Sequence":

1. Go to school

2. Graduate

3. Gain a marketable skill

4 Get married

5. Have children

6. Stay married

If you do these things, in that order, you'll never be poor and you will build generational wealth.

This should form the basis for all public education along with money management skills and the discipline to show up and do your work, every day without fail.

 

Home run, circle the bases.

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