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26 minutes ago, Del Scorcho said:

the amount of hand wringing in this thread because Oregon banned large groups of people? 

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wow - the horror?

"all gave some, some gave all"

We’re just a bunch of commies here, apparently. Meanwhile, most counties are reopening Friday.

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30 minutes ago, Bob said:

Do you understand how herd immunity works?

Do you?  You need an estimated 70% of the population to achieve it.  2 sure ways - a vaccine (which we dont have) or getting a lot of freaking sick people.  And as of right now nobody's sure what level of immunity recovered people even have.  I think for a lot of people its not the numbers that scare them - its the unknown factors at play.  As NV alluded to (and you apparently ignored), staying shut down is increasingly unworkable.  But throwing the doors open and going back to January isnt the answer either.  Until we have a vaccine (whenever that is), the play lies somewhere in between.

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/is-herd-immunity-our-best-weapon-against-covid-19

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43 minutes ago, RSF said:

Do you?  You need an estimated 70% of the population to achieve it.  2 sure ways - a vaccine (which we dont have) or getting a lot of freaking sick people.  And as of right now nobody's sure what level of immunity recovered people even have.  I think for a lot of people its not the numbers that scare them - its the unknown factors at play.  As NV alluded to (and you apparently ignored), staying shut down is increasingly unworkable.  But throwing the doors open and going back to January isnt the answer either.  Until we have a vaccine (whenever that is), the play lies somewhere in between.

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us-from-the-covid-19-pandemic

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/is-herd-immunity-our-best-weapon-against-covid-19

Yeah, I do. The virus is not really a big deal to anyone under about 65 and healthy. If you are in this demographic, which most of the country is, then you really don't have anything to worry about. These are the people that need to go out, live normally, become infected, get over it and develop herd immunity. A shit load need to get it so we better start living again. This all can happen while the old and vulnerable are protected.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766097?guestAccessKey=76a112be-5bb0-42a8-989e-d710b2f8cb63&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=051120

"To date, no human reinfections with SARS-CoV-2 have been confirmed. "

 

A vaccine is likely not coming soon. Everything would have to go perfectly for one to be available even 18 months from now. To rely on a vaccine would be foolish. Maybe old and high risk people's lives will change forever. Don't know. But the rest of us need to get on with our lives or life won't be worth living for anyone

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5 hours ago, Bob said:

What's better, the owner of a theater business making some money or no money? A restaurant owner making some money or no money? A barber making some money or no money. A nail salon making some money or no money. Guess we'd better just stay closed forever. Dumb.

If people are out it's going to make a hypothetical second wave worse? What are you talking about. Do you understand how herd immunity works?

I am friends with the guy who owns about half the clubs in downtown Boise.  He said he is in a better spot financially with the reduced overhead staying closed than he would be if he opened up his clubs and people did not show up. Getting "some" business is not the same thing as making "some" profit.

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On 5/13/2020 at 1:40 PM, battle.borne said:

"Open up the economy. Don't open it up. Whatever. We're screwed regardless. There are no good answers."

This is not the mindset of a healthy person. 

No, it is realistic.  You idea that our best and brightest in the CDC and elsewhere can not possibly know or forecast the future toll of the virus is the real joke.

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1 hour ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I am friends with the guy who owns about half the clubs in downtown Boise.  He said he is in a better spot financially with the reduced overhead staying closed than he would be if he opened up his clubs and people did not show up. Getting "some" business is not the same thing as making "some" profit.

Great, then he can just stay closed. 

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12 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

I am friends with the guy who owns about half the clubs in downtown Boise.  He said he is in a better spot financially with the reduced overhead staying closed than he would be if he opened up his clubs and people did not show up. Getting "some" business is not the same thing as making "some" profit.

That doesn't make sense. If he's "in a a better spot financially" by not being open then he didn't have a profitable business in the first place. I'm sure his employees that he pay are not in a better spot. Well, maybe some are because of unemployment/Trump Bucks, but it's costing that nation trillions to do it. 

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3 hours ago, Bob said:

That doesn't make sense. If he's "in a a better spot financially" by not being open then he didn't have a profitable business in the first place. I'm sure his employees that he pay are not in a better spot. Well, maybe some are because of unemployment/Trump Bucks, but it's costing that nation trillions to do it. 

Not enough volume to cover fixed costs

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3 hours ago, Bob said:

That doesn't make sense. If he's "in a a better spot financially" by not being open then he didn't have a profitable business in the first place. I'm sure his employees that he pay are not in a better spot. Well, maybe some are because of unemployment/Trump Bucks, but it's costing that nation trillions to do it. 

PSB loans or whatever they are called. It’s free money. Remember when Obama was skewered for bailing out private business that actually had to pay the money back?

The Republican Party doesn’t care anymore, and that’s the only reason it was worth a crap in the first place. We are in a situation where business gets free money and pays less tax than at any time in the country’s history. Trumptard’s don’t-tax-but-still-spend policy didn’t work BEFORE the pandemic. But now??? 

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10 minutes ago, Fowl said:

Not enough volume to cover fixed costs

That doesn't make sense because his "fixed" cost are the same whether he's open or not.

No, what he's saying is that there wouldn't be enough volume to cover his increased variable cost (labor, utilities, food, etc.).

Right now, he's only losing his fixed cost, being "open" without enough business would lead to even larger loses.

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16 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

No, it is realistic.  You idea that our best and brightest in the CDC and elsewhere can not possibly know or forecast the future toll of the virus is the real joke.

LOL best and the brightest... the best and the brightest captured by Big Pharma interests

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53 minutes ago, NevadaFan said:

PSB loans or whatever they are called. It’s free money. Remember when Obama was skewered for bailing out private business that actually had to pay the money back?

The Republican Party doesn’t care anymore, and that’s the only reason it was worth a crap in the first place. We are in a situation where business gets free money and pays less tax than at any time in the country’s history. Trumptard’s don’t-tax-but-still-spend policy didn’t work BEFORE the pandemic. But now??? 

I'm tea party

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11 hours ago, battle.borne said:

LOL best and the brightest... the best and the brightest captured by Big Pharma interests

Oh dear god. You’re a conspiracy guy now? 

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On 5/15/2020 at 10:49 AM, renoskier said:

That doesn't make sense because his "fixed" cost are the same whether he's open or not.

No, what he's saying is that there wouldn't be enough volume to cover his increased variable cost (labor, utilities, food, etc.).

Right now, he's only losing his fixed cost, being "open" without enough business would lead to even larger loses.

labor and utilities are not variable costs (i.e. they don't vary with revenue/volumes)

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1 hour ago, Fowl said:

labor and utilities are not variable costs (i.e. they don't vary with revenue/volumes)

Sorry fowl but you have it wrong. Labor and utilities are absolutely variable. When you're busy (higher volume/revenue), you add more help or more hours for your current employees. And the more hours your business is open, the higher the utility expense. 

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Utilities and labor are not variable. On what planet does a quick service restaurant or casual dining restaurant know how many customers it will have each day?  They staff according their expected demand and once those employees clock in you can’t unpay them if no customers show up. Same for utilities - if youre open the lights are on and utilities are charging you for the electricity consumed for all of the refrigerators and freezers whether anyone walks through the front door. 
 

this is the problem with your line of thinking - the business has to be open (and incurring fixed costs in the form of labor and utilities) if they are to generate a dime of revenue.  They know their costs but not their revenue. 

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On 5/15/2020 at 10:52 AM, Gator 82 said:

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Did more Americans die in combat in 1942 or from Covid-19 in 2020?

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On 5/14/2020 at 7:42 PM, HiCountryCowboy said:

Great, then he can just stay closed. 

Cool.  I agree.  We live in a free country.  The idea though that all this businesses are hurting so much more than they would if everything is opened is simply false.  If people are not spending money, opening up does not help the economy in any way.  Opening up is one thing.  Getting people to go out again in significant numbers is another.  We may see a good summer, with people being pent up and the hot conditions playing a part in slowing the spread.  But these small business will be in a world of hurt, again, come winter.  Government mandates or not.

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