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He defunded the WHO in the middle of a Pandemic!?!

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6 minutes ago, edluvar said:

Trump has a history of getting rid of agency’s designed to protect our health, wealth, and planet.   I’m sure he has some super awesome secret plan to safeguard us from future outbreaks.  The WHO has only been doing it since WW2.   

You’re so dumb it’s scary.

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5 minutes ago, edluvar said:

Trump has a history of getting rid of agency’s designed to protect our health, wealth, and planet.   I’m sure he has some super awesome secret plan to safeguard us from future outbreaks.  The WHO has only been doing it since WW2.   

Would you care to present that history including facts and not just opinion?  I'm not aware of that habit of his.

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5 minutes ago, Headbutt said:

Would you care to present that history including facts and not just opinion?  I'm not aware of that habit of his.

Not really.  It’s not hard to find, but you know that already.  I don’t debate Trumpists anymore.   Makes life a lot more fun filled not engaging them.  

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17 minutes ago, edluvar said:

Not really.  It’s not hard to find, but you know that already.  I don’t debate Trumpists anymore.   Makes life a lot more fun filled not engaging them.  

Got it.  "I'm right, and I'd like you prove it for me".  Like I said, toss me some facts, not just opinion.

Moving on.

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2 hours ago, Headbutt said:

Let me type slowly here.  We didn't do anything to their checkbook.  We made a future line item in a budget questionable.  It's temporary, the WHO hasn't lost a nickel.  Yet.

And do you want to post proof of that as I have read otherwise. 

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1 minute ago, sactowndog said:

And do you want to post proof of that as I have read otherwise. 

You first.

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1 hour ago, Headbutt said:

You first.

Hmm.  I thought I read about some pending disbursements that were not going out.  Given this time is a pandemic timing matters.   Will look more tomorrow. 

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8 hours ago, sactowndog said:

Here is a summary of the Global Reaction.  But sure, believe hardcore Republicans like @Nevada Convert and @thelawlorfaithful.   Nice representation you have got their UNR.   Good thing you have @mugtang to balance them out.

* GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER HEIKO MAAS

“Apportioning blame doesn’t help. The virus knows no borders,” Maas said on Twitter on Wednesday.

“We have to work closely together against #COVID19. One of the best investments is to strengthen the @UN, especially the under-funded @WHO, for example for developing and distributing tests and vaccines.”

* NEW ZEALAND PRIME MINISTER JACINDA ARDERN

“At a time like this when we need to be sharing information and we need to have advice we can rely on, the WHO has provided that. We will continue to support it and continue to make our contributions,” she said.

* AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER SCOTT MORRISON

Morrison said he sympathised with Trump’s criticisms of the WHO, especially its support of re-opening China’s “wet markets”, where freshly slaughtered animals are sold and where the outbreak first appeared in the city of Wuhan late last year.

“But that said, the WHO also as an organisation does a lot of important work including here in our region in the Pacific and we work closely with them,” Morrison said.

“We are not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater here, but they are also not immune from criticism and immune from doing things better.”

* U.N. SECRETARY GENERAL ANTONIO GUTERRES

“Not the time” to reduce resources for WHO operations.

“Now is the time for unity and for the international community to work together in solidarity to stop this virus and its shattering consequences,” he said.

* MIKE BLOOMBERG, FOUNDER OF BLOOMBERG PHILANTHROPIES

“Withholding funding from the WHO is an attempt by the president to shift blame for his own failures to prepare our country for this crisis – and tragically, it will lead to more suffering and death around the world.

“While the president points fingers, others are taking action. We must do everything we can to help them, and Congress must not let this dangerous decision stand.”

* PETER PIOT, DIRECTOR OF THE LONDON SCHOOL OF HYGIENE & TROPICAL MEDICINE

“Halting funding to the WHO is a dangerous, short-sighted and politically motivated decision, with potential public health consequences for all countries in the world, whether they are rich or poor.

“This pandemic is not over anywhere until it is over everywhere. Strong support from the United States has always been key for WHO’s effectiveness, and must continue.”

* LIESBETH AELBRECHT, GENERAL DIRECTOR FOR MSF SUISSE (SWITZERLAND)

“This is the wrong message to send during a pandemic when a coordinated public health response is more important than ever. Ending this pandemic will require unprecedented cooperation between nations and multilateral institutions. The World Health Organization was established specifically to provide a forum for international cooperation during global public health emergencies”

* CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC

Pierre Somse, CAR’S health minister, said Trump’s move was “a regrettable decision that will have harmful effects on the functioning of the WHO and on world health, because the WHO supports many countries in the health sector.”

* CHAIRMAN, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOREIGN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE

“With each passing day of this worsening crisis, the president is showing us his political playbook: blame the WHO, blame China, blame his political opponents, blame his predecessors - do whatever it takes to deflect from the fact that his administration mismanaged this crisis and it’s now costing thousands of American lives,” Democratic representative Eliot Engel.

* U.S. CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION

Directed requests for comment to the White House.

Among those questioning the president’s decision to act now was Dr. Redfield, head of the CDC, who heaped praise on the W.H.O. during an appearance on Wednesday on “CBS This Morning,” saying that questions about what the group did during the pandemic should be left until “after we get through this.”

Dr. Redfield said that the W.H.O. remained “a longstanding partner for C.D.C.,” citing efforts to fight the Ebola virus in Africa and the cooperation to limit the spread of the coronavirus. And he added that the United States and the W.H.O. have “worked together to fight health crises around the world — we continue to do that.”

* AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT

Dr. Patrice Harris called it “a dangerous step in the wrong direction that will not make defeating COVID-19 easier” and urged Trump to reconsider.

 

* JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY CENTER FOR HEALTH SECURITY

“The move sends the wrong message during the middle of a pandemic,” said Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious diseases expert and senior scholar.

Adalja said the WHO does make mistakes, as it did in delaying the response to the Ebola outbreak in 2013 and 2014 in West Africa. He said reforms may be needed, but that work needs to take place after the pandemic has passed.

“It’s not the middle of a pandemic that you do this type of thing,” he said.

Adalja said the WHO collects information about where the virus is active in every county in the world, which the United States needs to help guide decisions about when to open borders.

* MELINDA GATES, CO-CHAIR OF BILL & MELINDA GATES FOUNDATION

“Halting funding for the World Health Organization during a world health crisis is as dangerous as it sounds,” she said on Twitter. “Their work is slowing the spread of COVID-19 and if that work is stopped no other organization can replace them. The world needs the WHO now more than ever.”

* DAVID HEYMANN, FORMER SENIOR WHO OFFICIAL AND CURRENT PROFESSOR AT THE LONDON SCHOOL OF HYGIENE & TROPICAL MEDICINE

“The strength of WHO is that it is able to bring together public health experts from around the world to exchange information, review scientific evidence, and make evidence based consensus recommendations on disease prevention and control. 

“I have no doubt that WHO will continue to work in this manner during the COVID-19 pandemic.”

* SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AT BRITAIN’S LEEDS UNIVERSITY

Stephen Griffin, a Leeds professor, described Trump’s move as “perhaps one of the least productive, most short-sighted, self-motivated and hypocritical acts I have ever witnessed”.

“The situation in the U.S. and the world over amounts to a crisis, and one in which we must stand together. WHO is perhaps one of the best means of achieving this and deserves the support and respect of all countries.”

* INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF NURSES (ICN)

Howard Catton, head of the Geneva-based ICN, which represents 132 national nursing associations, said: “The last thing we need now is for funding to be pulled and WHO to be undermined.”

“Frontline nurses and other health workers will be shocked and angered and deserve better.

“At this moment when we are facing a pandemic unprecedented in modern times, we must support WHO, not cut off its oxygen supply. We must target the virus not WHO, if we are to beat it.”

* U.S. ORGANISATION PROTECT OUR CARE

“This is nothing more than a transparent attempt by President Trump to distract from his history downplaying the severity of the coronavirus crisis and his administration’s failure to prepare our nation,” said Chair Leslie Dach, who served as the global Ebola coordinator for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

“To be sure, the World Health Organization is not without fault but it is beyond irresponsible to cut its funding at the height of a global pandemic. This move will undoubtedly make Americans less safe.”

* VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY MEDICAL CENTER

“This virus doesn’t need passports. In a few short months it has travelled to all of the continents of the world except Antarctica. If there were ever an event that showed us how we need to work tougher as a global community, this is it,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert.

Those guys are communists. 

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8 hours ago, mugtang said:

They can get money from their daddy China.  

China should just replace the 15% they lost and say they will prioritize the export of PPE to countries who follow WHO guidelines.   The dotard can then watch the rest of the world herald Chinese leadership during the crisis while we prematurely opening up the country without adequate testing and equipment inviting a second outbreak. 

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3 hours ago, Akkula said:

China should just replace the 15% they lost and say they will prioritize the export of PPE to countries who follow WHO guidelines.   The dotard can then watch the rest of the world herald Chinese leadership during the crisis while we prematurely opening up the country without adequate testing and equipment inviting a second outbreak. 

Herald Chinese leadership? 

lol.

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3 hours ago, Akkula said:

China should just replace the 15% they lost and say they will prioritize the export of PPE to countries who follow WHO guidelines.   The dotard can then watch the rest of the world herald Chinese leadership during the crisis while we prematurely opening up the country without adequate testing and equipment inviting a second outbreak. 

Lol at your typical  “China righteous, America evil” drivel. 

18 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Herald Chinese leadership? 

lol.

You’re surprised at his response? 

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3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Not at all.

I mean, the US has certainly committed its share of evils and is deserving of criticism for a multitude of reasons. But the commie’s blatant authoritarian bias during this particular crisis is laughable.

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Just now, BSUTOP25 said:

I mean, the US has certainly committed its share of evils and is deserving of criticism for a multitude of reasons. But the commie’s blatant authoritarian bias during this particular crisis is laughable.

WHOA!!! Careful, your racism may hurt a local Chinese restaurant!

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23 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Herald Chinese leadership? 

lol.

Well, like they say money talks and bullshit walks.  The Chinese have a good opportunity to make amends for their mistakes and take a leadership role now that the USA has abdicated.  It is very easy for them to position themselves to the rest of the world as being champions of scientific knowledge in combating the continuing threat by kicking in some extra funds and sending PPE and ventilators out.  Most of the rest of the world isn't a member of the dear leader's cult and they see us constantly doubling down on stupid.  From the perspective of the rest of the world who is the lesser of two evils, the dotard or the Chinese?  

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1 minute ago, Akkula said:

Well, like they say money talks and bullshit walks.  The Chinese have a good opportunity to make amends for their mistakes and take a leadership role now that the USA has abdicated.  It is very easy for them to position themselves to the rest of the world as being champions of scientific knowledge in combating the continuing threat by kicking in some extra funds and sending PPE and ventilators out.  Most of the rest of the world isn't a member of the dear leader's cult and they see us constantly doubling down on stupid.  From the perspective of the rest of the world who is the lesser of two evils, the dotard or the Chinese?  

Ironic

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Just now, Akkula said:

Well, like they say money talks and bullshit walks.  The Chinese have a good opportunity to make amends for their mistakes and take a leadership role now that the USA has abdicated.  It is very easy for them to position themselves to the rest of the world as being champions of scientific knowledge in combating the continuing threat by kicking in some extra funds and sending PPE and ventilators out.  Most of the rest of the world isn't a member of the dear leader's cult and they see us constantly doubling down on stupid.  From the perspective of the rest of the world who is the lesser of two evils, the dotard or the Chinese?  

Abdicated?  US research is still on pace to provide the first reliable vaccine.  We got human trials going a while ago.  We are ramping up production of materials and have plans all ready laid to lend our excess to countries in need.

The WHO is not the world.  US research and contributions far exceeds anything the WHO could dream of providing.  You are a big dumb dumb head.

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8 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Abdicated?  US research is still on pace to provide the first reliable vaccine.  We got human trials going a while ago.  We are ramping up production of materials and have plans all ready laid to lend our excess to countries in need.

The WHO is not the world.  US research and contributions far exceeds anything the WHO could dream of providing.  You are a big dumb dumb head.

But why did he need to defund this NOW?  Why take troops off the battlefield NOW solely out of SPITE and to shift blame?  The america centric cult glasses need to come off for a bit and see this from the perspective of someone in the rest of the world.  The dotard is constantly threatening to defund NATO, the UN, and now the WHO.  Many other smaller countries don't have the luxury that the USA has to turn inward.  So they see the dotard as an unreliable, erratic, and unpredictable partner.  At least the Chinese, with all their flaws, are fairly predictable and have a desire to expand their influence.  They built the the national stadium here in Costa Rica so why wouldn't countries around the world turn to them while the USA continues to make poor decisions? 

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Just now, Akkula said:

But why did he need to defund this NOW?  Why take troops off the battlefield NOW?  The america centric cult glasses need to come off for a bit and see this from the perspective of someone in the rest of the world.  The dotard is constantly threatening to defund NATO, the UN, and now the WHO.  Many other smaller countries don't have the luxury that the USA has to turn inward.  So they see the dotard as an unreliable, erratic, and unpredictable partner.  At least the Chinese, with all their flaws, are fairly predictable and have a desire to expand their influence.  They built the the national stadium here in Costa Rica so why wouldn't countries around the world turn to them while the USA continues to make poor decisions? 

Because NOW, we have information that needs to be considered about WHO actions.  The UN should absolutely be defunded.  The WHO needs its actions reviewed.  This is not hard, apparently it is hard for you.  The WHO is not providing any information or service that can not be provided elsewhere.  We have the best and brightest in the world working on this and providing information to the public, the WHO is at this point completely useless in the pandemic response, serving no real function.  The WHO has blood on their hands.  +++++ em.

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55 minutes ago, Akkula said:

But why did he need to defund this NOW?  Why take troops off the battlefield NOW solely out of SPITE and to shift blame?  The america centric cult glasses need to come off for a bit and see this from the perspective of someone in the rest of the world.  The dotard is constantly threatening to defund NATO, the UN, and now the WHO.  Many other smaller countries don't have the luxury that the USA has to turn inward.  So they see the dotard as an unreliable, erratic, and unpredictable partner.  At least the Chinese, with all their flaws, are fairly predictable and have a desire to expand their influence.  They built the the national stadium here in Costa Rica so why wouldn't countries around the world turn to them while the USA continues to make poor decisions? 

Stick with NATO. At least those countries are mostly like minded and have a free press (maybe not Turkey so much these days).  The Who, the UN....they are like the NCAA for countries.  Pass.

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