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GAME THREAD: 2020 United States Presidential Election, featuring the Battle for Control of the Senate and the House

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9 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Meanwhile, in Joe Biden desperately needs them to vote for him land...

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/06/24/letter-to-washington-grosse-pointe-woods-325641?__twitter_impression=true
 

I don’t know what to make of this. It feels like Trump is going to be crushed. 

It's an odd story, how the journalist was seemingly looking to engage with different people in a different venue, and then gets testimony of apathy from lower level pols and the like. 

We all saw what happened last election. We're still months out from this one. A month feels like a year in this timeline. 

For now, I'm sticking to my theory that this election has very little to do with Joe Biden and the fact that no one really cares about him won't have a consequential effect. Either you love Trump or you hate Trump, and people will show up bigly to vote accordingly.

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2 hours ago, youngredbullfan said:

That was an interesting article. 
 

Black folks are rightfully disillusioned with the Democratic Party, but how that will affect turnout is an unknown. I’m not sure it will: the alternative of Trump weighs heavy. The specter of this alternative is even more visceral with his handling of Corona and the Floyd killing. 

A yuge number of Midwestern Blacks shot themselves in the foot in 2016 by just assuming Hillary had the election in the bag and not bothering to vote. Can't believe they will make that same mistake this year.

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1 hour ago, UNLV2001 said:

I talked to God last night and he said only a political party as phucked up as the Democrats could fail to beat Mr. Grumpy this year.

God didn't say "phucked up," he said "mucked up." He DID say "Mr. Grumpy," however.

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Just now, 818SUDSFan said:

I talked to God last night and he told me that only a political party as phucked up as the Democrats could fail to beat Mr. Grumpy this year.

God didn't say "phucked up," he said "mucked up." He DID say "Mr. Grumpy," however.

Gawd might be correct...........and I don't put it past the Bernie Bro contingent to give trump a boost by not voting, voting 3rd party or even going with trump to prove their point 

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6 minutes ago, toonkee said:

It's an odd story, how the journalist was seemingly looking to engage with different people in a different venue, and then gets testimony of apathy from lower level pols and the like. 

We all saw what happened last election. We're still months out from this one. A month feels like a year in this timeline. 

For now, I'm sticking to my theory that this election has very little to do with Joe Biden and the fact that no one really cares about him won't have a consequential effect. Either you love Trump or you hate Trump, and people will show up bigly to vote accordingly.

Spot on.........don't think Biden is a factor other than for Cult 45 fans.............this will be a referendum on trump and that will be the driving force 

A decent VP pick by Biden will only help.....we know Cult 45 will show up, but that's 40% of voters tops.............if we see massive voter turnout in early, mail & election day, I say that is not a good sign for trump 

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9 minutes ago, UNLV2001 said:

Gawd might be correct...........and I don't put it past the Bernie Bro contingent to give trump a boost by not voting, voting 3rd party or even going with trump to prove their point 

I just want this country to get back to where the lunatic fringe stops dictating policy of the Dems and the Repubs. If that takes the Dems' lunatic fringe sitting out this election or worse, voting for Trump against their own interests and putting him over the top, I will probably still get my wish. Because if that happens, we're likely have four years of violence in the streets. It will be a modern Civil War bad enough that whether Democrat or Republican, our president in January 2025 will be a moderate. I sure hope it doesn't come to that but if it does, so be it.

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13 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

I just want this country to get back to where the lunatic fringe stops dictating policy of the Dems and the Repubs. If that takes the Dems' lunatic fringe sitting out this election or worse, voting for Trump against their own interests and putting him over the top, I will probably still get my wish. Because if that happens, we're likely have four years of violence in the streets. It will be a modern Civil War bad enough that whether Democrat or Republican, our president in January 2025 will be a moderate. I sure hope it doesn't come to that but if it does, so be it.

When you really break down what divides the two parties and that drives their base voters to the polls it's (not all inclusive) only a few things that tigger's the voter

These first two issues drive voters to the polls even if they ignore everything else on the ballot, these people vote singularly on Abortion & Guns & both parties can screw these voters every which way, but all they need to do is say "____ is coming for your guns" & "_______ is for murdering babies" and that is all they need to hear & they go vote.

  • Abortion - Ok this is one that is a hot button item, but in the grand scheme of policy, should this be a hill to die on (pun intended)? This splits the evangelicals vs the 'personal freedom' crowds and really has no political impact outside of the person considering the act. I.e. for me the abortion issue isn't an issue and should be up to those involved with the decision 
  • Guns - Ok we have the 2nd Amendment, which over the last 20 years has taken on a new life. For most of the nations history a gun law here & there wasn't a political hot button issues until the NRA went nuts. Anyone with brains knows that it's literally impossible to "round up all the guns" but the NRA has turned this into a single voter issue just like evangelicals have done with abortion

Then there are debatable issues where some similar policy is already in place, yet the public is still divided on furthering or expanding standing policy because of connotations that most don't understand and vote on the one word counter argument "SOCIALISM" 

  • "Medicare for All' - This one has been bandied about as a government take over of healthcare & "socialism" - Ok, this is an issue that could be debated and massaged to probably find a middle ground that would be fairly acceptable to a majority of Americans. We have had Social Security since the mid 1930's and Medicare since the mid 1960's, this is all they have for income in their old age. This is probably even more a fact in rural & poorer areas like the south, where without Social Security, older people & their families would be affected - yet these folks still are skeptical of any expansion or any like type of policy, because it's SOCIALISM !!! Again the people mostly against these policies would be helped the most by them - That's thats why with some policy debate, funding debate & operational debate these are things that could become a reality. The "socialism" claim is watered down by the very fact the US has installed "public" funded services like fire, police, parks (national to city), airports, freeways & infrastructure all all kinds, yet there is a stigma, especially among a certain age group that has the "socialism is  bad" mantra pounded into them via the Cold War era. There is probably a path where Medicare for All could work as a base insurance while retaining private insurance that covers things above & beyond what M4A would cover, which is exactly the way Medicare works now.
  • "Spending" - This one is the conservative hill to die on, even though since 1932 the republican party has been just as spendy as FDR & democrats. Is there government waste? Sure. But most of that waste can probably be found in the Military Industrial Complex that grew massive in post WWII America due to the Cold War. Neither party has done much on national debt & deficits and if anything democratic presidents have done better than republicans over the last 20-40 years. Personally I think the fretting about the "debt" is over blown & used as a tool to drive voters. The reality is the US has been in debt since 1790 and for most of the years the country has existed. Only low debt era was the early 1830's, after the 1830's the debt was mostly driven by wars & the need to spend on military. It was easy not to be in debt when the world was horse & buggy, dirt roads, outhouses and candlelight......times changed, wars happened and the USA of the 1840's is not the USA of 2020. 

Sorry this got long, and I will end here !! :USFlag:

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47 minutes ago, 818SUDSFan said:

I just want this country to get back to where the lunatic fringe stops dictating policy of the Dems and the Repubs. If that takes the Dems' lunatic fringe sitting out this election or worse, voting for Trump against their own interests and putting him over the top, I will probably still get my wish. Because if that happens, we're likely have four years of violence in the streets. It will be a modern Civil War bad enough that whether Democrat or Republican, our president in January 2025 will be a moderate. I sure hope it doesn't come to that but if it does, so be it.

Shorter answer.............I'm just wanting normalcy where I don;t have to be near a news source because of the hourly idiocy emanating from the White House .............and sports, get us a vaccine for Covid and GET US SPORTS !!! 

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2 hours ago, toonkee said:

For now, I'm sticking to my theory that this election has very little to do with Joe Biden and the fact that no one really cares about him won't have a consequential effect. Either you love Trump or you hate Trump, and people will show up bigly to vote accordingly.

The emotional factor will be big.

Trump is trying to motivate his core supporters to show up by focusing on emotions not on plans.

But this time he may also be emotionally motivating those who don't like or don't agree with him. In 2016 I think there were many not motivated one way or the other to vote.

It is less about Biden and more about how strongly will people feel in November about Trump one way or the other.

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One thing we are not really considering enough is the possibility of Trump fatigue. We are quick to point out the lack of enthusiasm for Biden but the fervor for Trump appears to be waining. It happened to Obama. 

Lots of ingredients in this recipe.

 

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3 minutes ago, toonkee said:

One thing we are not really considering enough is the possibility of Trump fatigue. We are quick to point out the lack of enthusiasm for Biden but the fervor for Trump appears to be waining. It happened to Obama. 

Lots of ingredients in this recipe.

 

And Jo Jorgensen is stirring the pot. 

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The TIkTok crowd is at it again.

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Days after TikTok users said they fueled lower-than-expected turnout at President Donald Trump’s rally in Tulsa, Okla., they have a new target: Trump’s online store.

A new series of videos are circulating on the platform asking consumers to fill their carts with Trump merchandise—like the $75 Keep America Great ugly Christmas sweater or the $30 Trump gift wrap featuring Trump in a Keep America Great Santa hat—and then abandon those carts.

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What’s more, marketers know that 70% of shoppers don’t finish the checkout process immediately, so Irvine said ecommerce platforms put extra budget into remarketing or reengaging those particular visitors with the goal of getting them back to complete the purchase.

“If you’ve ever abandoned a cart online, you might recall having seen more ads or emails from that brand, oftentimes with discounts,” he added.

Ergo, by acting like interested potential buyers and then abandoning their carts, these users cost related ad campaigns more money as the brand continues to reach out.

https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/tiktok-users-abandon-carts-president-trumps-online-store/

 

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It started on TikTok earlier in the week.

There will be an attempt by Gen Z, K-Pop Stan, etc. to mass report all of Trump's social media accounts in the next hour.

They plan to mass report Trump's Twitter account for "abusive and hateful content as well as not being interested in the account" and his Instagram account for "hate speech and violent organizations." 

Big reason seems to be simply to troll Trump and get under his skin.

We'll see what happens shortly.

 

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3 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

Grassley not happy with Hannity & trump interview 

 

At least they're admitting that Fox is supposed to be the propaganda wing of the GOP.

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19 minutes ago, retrofade said:

Meanwhile, Trump is tweeting "wanted" posters for vandalism of Andrew Jackson's statue. 

Andrew Jackson was a prick. Also, the founder of the Democratic Party.

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4 hours ago, CV147 said:

Andrew Jackson was a prick. Also, the founder of the Democratic Party.

No f**king doubt he was a prick. He was responsible for the Indian Removal Act..aka The Trail of Tears. He can rot in hell.

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