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9 hours ago, toonkee said:

I think we have some sexism going on with this Carol thing. The leading men are all quantifiably much worse than Carol based on the actual evidence we have. Joe is a damaged monster of a human being. 

Smells awful witch hunty. 

 

I believe it has more to do with society loving it when a self-anointed moral crusader hypocritically commits the same act or behaves in a similar fashion to those they judge. Similar to a situation where an evangelical preacher gets caught committing adultery or possessing homosexual pornography. I’ve watched a few episodes and even if you remove the allegations of murdering her husband, Carole Baskin made a lot of money doing the very things she positioned herself to be against. So that’s why I believe she’s getting a lot of criticism.

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10 hours ago, Los_Aztecas said:

Don't take this place too seriously, it's bad for your health. To why I think Carole is worse than Joe? They are both terrible wastes of human beings that abuse animals and people. Carole however has the world at large fooled. She hides behind a veneer of civility and positions herself as a moral savior to those cats, when she is just as guilty as the others. At least Joe knows he is a terrible person; he revels in it. Carole doesn't have a clue. Carole is conniving and manipulative. While this doesn't make her a worse person, it makes her seem worse.

Problem is that Carol is not even close to just as guilty as the others. She doesn't breed them or do the cub petting for profit. 

 

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3 hours ago, BSUTOP25 said:

I believe it has more to do with society loving it when a self-anointed moral crusader hypocritically commits the same act or behaves in a similar fashion to those they judge. Similar to a situation where an evangelical preacher gets caught committing adultery or possessing homosexual pornography. I’ve watched a few episodes and even if you remove the allegations of murdering her husband, Carole Baskin made a lot of money doing the very things she positioned herself to be against. So that’s why I believe she’s getting a lot of criticism.

Yes, the show positions Joe as the protagonist and Carol as the antagonist, I get that, but the thing is she doesn't do those things anymore. She does not breed or do the cub petting and hasn't for a long time. Joe did the opposite. He wanted a sanctuary, but then realized how much meth he could buy if he bred and sold the tigers and took the cubs from the mothers for photo ops. He also shoots Carol effigies in the head on his YouTube channel. Joe is convicted of hiring someone to kill Carol.

But somehow in the end we sympathise with Joe and say Carol is the worst because we just know it. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, toonkee said:

Yes, the show positions Joe as the protagonist and Carol as the antagonist, I get that, but the thing is she doesn't do those things anymore. She does not breed or do the cub petting and hasn't for a long time. Joe did the opposite. He wanted a sanctuary, but then realized how much meth he could buy if he bred and sold the tigers and took the cubs from the mothers for photo ops. He also shoots Carol effigies in the head on his YouTube channel. Joe is convicted of hiring someone to kill Carol.

But somehow in the end we sympathise with Joe and say Carol is the worst. 

I don’t sympathize with any of them. That show depresses me. Not sure if I will finish it.

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1 minute ago, BSUTOP25 said:

I don’t sympathize with any of them. That show depresses me. Not sure if I will finish it.

I hear you.

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12 hours ago, toonkee said:

I don't want anything to do with Carol. I think she's a wack a doodle but she's an angel compared to Joe. Think of what we know Joe did, what we have on video, and compare that to what you actually know about Carol. And for the record, we don't know she killed her husband. 

This feels a lot like "Hillary is worse than Trump". 

Exotic knows he's bad. Carol thinks she's good with a cult of unpaid volunteers, a business model that depends on the people she hates,  and the kind of faux crusader attitude that have made so many offices a living hell.  The banality of Carol makes her awfulness more accessible.

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28 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Exotic knows he's bad. Carol thinks she's good with a cult of unpaid volunteers, a business model that depends on the people she hates,  and the kind of faux crusader attitude that have made so many offices a living hell.  The banality of Carol makes her awfulness more accessible.

As always someone expresses my views better than I can.

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13 minutes ago, Los_Aztecas said:

As always someone expresses my views better than I can.

@happycamper is good like that. 

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56 minutes ago, happycamper said:

Exotic knows he's bad. Carol thinks she's good with a cult of unpaid volunteers, a business model that depends on the people she hates,  and the kind of faux crusader attitude that have made so many offices a living hell.  The banality of Carol makes her awfulness more accessible.

Carol runs a non profit.  All animal shelters down to dogs and cats and guinea pigs use shet loads of volunteers. Doesn't mean she doesn't collect a salary but that's all non-profits. 

Let's talk about cults. How about the wannabe Indian harem lord that brainwashes 19 year olds to live with him or Joe that pays ex-cons $100 a week and haves them live onsite trailers of filth so he can buy his 19 year old meth addicted husbands 4 wheelers and pink camo guns and...meth..and to hire people to kill Carole?

Carole's "cult" goes home and night and isn't dependent on her for anything. She doesn't even know many of their names.

"But Carole's husband disappeared! I just know that shadowy b*tch killed that poor innocent man and fed him to the tigers! I just know it!"   

Like I said, I'd like to stay as far away from Carol as possible in real life, nobody has to like her, I'm not saying she's great, but ask yourself why she gets a higher level of vitriol and than Joe and the other super creeps who are doing heinous illegal life damaging stuff all day every day and are by all objective measure much worse.

She is not their equal.

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

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Just now, toonkee said:

Carol runs a non profit.  All animal shelters down to dogs and cats and guinea pigs use shet loads of volunteers. Doesn't mean she doesn't collect a salary but that's all non-profits. 

Let's talk about cults. How about the wannabe Indian harem lord that brainwashes 19 year olds to live with him or Joe that pays ex-cons $100 a week and haves them live onsite trailers of filth so he can buy his 19 year old meth addicted husbands 4 wheelers and pink camo guns and...meth..and to hire people to kill Carole?

Carole's "cult" goes home and night and isn't dependent on her for anything. She doesn't even know many of their names.

"But Carole's husband disappeared! I just know that shadowy b*tch killed that poor innocent man and fed him to the tigers! I just know it!"   

Like I said, I'd like to stay as far away from Carol as possible in real life, nobody has to like her, I'm not saying she's great, but ask yourself why she gets a higher level of vitriol and than Joe and the other super creeps who are doing heinous illegal life damaging stuff all day every day and are by all objective measure much worse.

She is not their equal.

 

She's not their equal. she's certainly a peer. 

Also, Joe's in prison. :shrug: He lost his zoo and his cult and his money. I mean... he seems to have gotten some kind of justice. Carol's still out running her color coded volunteer cult. BTW "not knowing many of their names" for the people who work 12 hours for free for your gigantic house and tiger filled backyard is not a mark for her. 

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Why? Just why?

Before any of you Trumpists get all hot and bothered, I'm asking why that question is even being asked. 

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35 minutes ago, retrofade said:

Why? Just why?

Before any of you Trumpists get all hot and bothered, I'm asking why that question is even being asked. 

Because he won't answer legitimate questions?

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4 minutes ago, Mano said:

Because he won't answer legitimate questions?

Questions are hard.

Tigers are cool.

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Please don’t do it Trump!!!! Don’t pardon that kook!!! He was asked to look at his case and he said he’d eventually take a look. For the love of God, don’t do it!!!

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On 4/5/2020 at 7:46 PM, toonkee said:

I think we have some sexism going on with this Carol thing. The leading men are all quantifiably much worse than Carol based on the actual evidence we have. Joe is a damaged monster of a human being. 

Smells awful witch hunty. 

 

No doubt Joe Exotic is not a saint, but Carol is the bigger asshole.

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On 4/9/2020 at 4:07 PM, DoubleBlueGold said:

No doubt Joe Exotic is not a saint, but Carol is the bigger asshole.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rick-kirkham-joe-exotic-tiger-king_n_5e93e23fc5b6ac9815130019?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGLEdmVCLpJRPlqXFM4S-9M2tePxPMuwzkMLjVN6n2Uazuq08jobL0xwSg5E4oOhSAo6ePfx2a2QFB3Ub7kXBg0wyMh-vannF7O8HpP_T33zZihyaApbS2-k8B0-EBxCpnHopsqVcMY2CBiLztKpcmOn1PNvevrZKczYmqsfOeP5

“That was just the kind of guy he was,” Kirkham told the Daily Beast. “He enjoyed seeing people and animals hurt. He enjoyed it. He got off on it.”

Kirkham called Exotic “pure evil” and said he can’t believe people could watch the show and have any sympathy for him.

Kirkham also told E! that tigers and chickens weren’t Exotic’s only victims. He allegedly once promised a woman he’d care for her horse and let it use his pasture. 

“Before she got off the park — he said, ‘Rick, roll your camera. Roll your camera. Come on, you’re gonna love this, Rick,’” Kirkham said. “He walked up, pulled a gun out of his holster and shot the horse dead in the trailer and then cut it up with a chainsaw and then fed it to the tigers that day.”

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54 minutes ago, toonkee said:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rick-kirkham-joe-exotic-tiger-king_n_5e93e23fc5b6ac9815130019?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGLEdmVCLpJRPlqXFM4S-9M2tePxPMuwzkMLjVN6n2Uazuq08jobL0xwSg5E4oOhSAo6ePfx2a2QFB3Ub7kXBg0wyMh-vannF7O8HpP_T33zZihyaApbS2-k8B0-EBxCpnHopsqVcMY2CBiLztKpcmOn1PNvevrZKczYmqsfOeP5

“That was just the kind of guy he was,” Kirkham told the Daily Beast. “He enjoyed seeing people and animals hurt. He enjoyed it. He got off on it.”

Kirkham called Exotic “pure evil” and said he can’t believe people could watch the show and have any sympathy for him.

Kirkham also told E! that tigers and chickens weren’t Exotic’s only victims. He allegedly once promised a woman he’d care for her horse and let it use his pasture. 

“Before she got off the park — he said, ‘Rick, roll your camera. Roll your camera. Come on, you’re gonna love this, Rick,’” Kirkham said. “He walked up, pulled a gun out of his holster and shot the horse dead in the trailer and then cut it up with a chainsaw and then fed it to the tigers that day.”

Joe and Carol were male/female replicas of each other. The only reason I think Carol is the bigger asshole is because I do believe she fed her ex-husband to the tigers.

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On 4/6/2020 at 9:26 AM, BSUTOP25 said:

I don’t sympathize with any of them. That show depresses me. Not sure if I will finish it.

Have you gotten to the Libertarian kid who was his campaign manager? He was my favorite.

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5 hours ago, bsu_alum9 said:

Have you gotten to the Libertarian kid who was his campaign manager? He was my favorite.

He was the only one I felt sorry for. He took a job knowing it was going to suck but also knowing it might be the only way he could get the experience needed to reach his dream job. All he wanted was something to put on his resume and he winds up watching a guy shoot himself. He got nothing out of the whole thing but trauma. He deserved better. 

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On 4/6/2020 at 10:59 AM, happycamper said:

She's not their equal. she's certainly a peer. 

Also, Joe's in prison. :shrug: He lost his zoo and his cult and his money. I mean... he seems to have gotten some kind of justice. Carol's still out running her color coded volunteer cult. BTW "not knowing many of their names" for the people who work 12 hours for free for your gigantic house and tiger filled backyard is not a mark for her. 

What "justice" does Carol deserve and for what?

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