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9 hours ago, Rebels2k3 said:

Surgeon masks can be useful in general, especially if you have a cold/flu and don't want to get people sick. In general, masks being worn in Japan and elsewhere limit the spread of germs from sick people. For the coronavirus itself, the N95 mask is probably the most effective. Again, it's a small thing that can go a long way for public health

An NIH report on a test against an aerosolized virus in found that the N95 masks and P100 filters/masks successfully filtered out ≥98% and 99.7%, respectively (link).

That being said, for those of us who are not in healthcare, it is important to note that there is a critical global shortage of N95 masks for healthcare workers at the moment, and they should be given priority as they don't have the ability to self-isolate. 

 

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This is why is is so damn important that more people start taking this shit seriously. The people in Italy didn't at first. And now crisis management officials in Turin are preparing for the contingency of having to triage patients.

Hopefully, this article underscores the criticality of isolation and social distancing.

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Italians over 80 'will be left to die' as country overwhelmed by coronavirus

Hardest-hit region drafts new proposals saying who will live and who will die

Coronavirus victims in Italy will be denied access to intensive care if they are aged 80 or more or in poor health should pressure on beds increase, a document prepared by a crisis management unit in Turin proposes.

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15 minutes ago, TheSanDiegan said:

This is why is is so damn important that more people start taking this shit seriously. The people in Italy didn't at first. And now crisis management officials in Turin are preparing for the contingency of having to triage patients.

Hopefully, this article underscores the criticality of isolation and social distancing.

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WooHoo!  Medicare for all!!

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Let's bring Kim Jong Un over to run the country to run the place if we don't care about lives.  Or only let the ICU beds be available to the highest bidder.   We are  are lower class serfs if this country doesn't care about equality.

 

Its going to be a tough haul going ahead.  We are a hell of alot smarter than we were 100 years ago.  We aren't going to make the right decisions every time. A  pandemic is among us.  Help your family, friends, and coworkers out.  Everything is going to be working against you for the foreseeable future. 

 

Lets just hope there isn't an alien invasion, terrorist attack, earthquake, asteroid, or anything else in the next few months.

 

God Bless.

 

 

 

 

 

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According to a report released just yesterday by the Imperial College of London, as per their own modeling social distancing is the single largest causal factor in reducing the severity of the pandemic.

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"We find that that optimal mitigation policies (combining home isolation of suspect cases, home quarantine of those living in the same household as suspect cases, and social distancing of the elderly and others at most risk of severe disease) might reduce peak healthcare demand by 2/3 and deaths by half."

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And according to the report, their model predicts that if unmitigated there will be approx. 2.2 million deaths in the US, but with a very concerting caveat:

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"In total, in an unmitigated epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality."

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Their model also predicts the entire epidemic curve:

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1 hour ago, TheSanDiegan said:

According to a report released just yesterday by the Imperial College of London, as per their own modeling social distancing is the single largest causal factor in reducing the severity of the pandemic.

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And according to the report, their model predicts that if unmitigated there will be approx. 2.2 million deaths in the US, but with a very concerting caveat:

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Their model also predicts the entire epidemic curve:

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Models vs real data.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

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On 3/15/2020 at 10:01 PM, Del Scorcho said:

Its amazing to me that there are people here with little to no regard to the grief and suffering of others due to this event.  

It's as if they are welcoming a thinning of the herd, so to speak.  

I just hope those that feel this way are directly affected in some way 

Karma

 

This has been my biggest takeaway. It's been shocking to me how many of the light targeted groups have almost a pride of nonconcern for the more susceptible. "Hey, it's not me. Why should I give a feck?" 

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35 minutes ago, MWC Tex said:

To help lend perspective, the CDC estimates influenza has killed as many as 55,000 Americans this year. As per the real data, this is 10x to 35x more deadly than the flu. 

And by contrast to the CDC's estimates for this year's flu, if we don't do everything we can to contain it, we could see a period where we realize over 50,000 deaths in this country each day.

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8 hours ago, Headbutt said:

WooHoo!  Medicare for all!!

That’s part of the problem over there. They can’t care for everyone despite everyone having a right to it. End up deciding who lives and dies. Real sad situation.
 

The other issue is that they didn’t protect their citizens and didn’t ban travel from China until it was too late. 

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49 minutes ago, Rosegreen said:

That’s part of the problem over there. They can’t care for everyone despite everyone having a right to it. End up deciding who lives and dies. Real sad situation.
 

The other issue is that they didn’t protect their citizens and didn’t ban travel from China until it was too late. 

We got a head-start on them by shitcanning the entire working group on the NSC who's job was to protect us from pandemics a whole two years ago.

And enough with the false dichotomy re: free healthcare. Canada, France, and the UK have never had to triage sick people due to a lack of hospital beds or ventilators. That's simply a lie. And the same extraordinary circumstance that is resulting in this possibility elsewhere will result in it here as well.

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2 hours ago, kingpotato said:

This has been my biggest takeaway. It's been shocking to me how many of the light targeted groups have almost a pride of nonconcern for the more susceptible. "Hey, it's not me. Why should I give a feck?" 

It’s actually a fairly normal human reaction unless it affects you, a family member, or someone you’re close to. You might be concerned, but it doesn’t really hit home until you are personally affected. There are thousands of deaths from multiple causes every year yet most people still go about their daily lives without giving it a second thought.

Hell Im pretty blasé about it myself and I’m in the old age at risk group with asthma. I’m sure I’ll be a lot more concerned if my wife or I become infected. Meanwhile we are just hunkered down like most everyone else. 

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On 3/13/2020 at 6:59 PM, Pokes Forever said:

Alarmists vs deniers.....nobody wins and not one mind is changed.  Real question is when we will see the first post proclaiming the preseason conference and national championship from the Boise brigade!

3 months ago.

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50,000 deaths a day? 2.2 million people in the US gonna die?

There’s been 3,000 deaths in China. Y’all are crazy w those stupidly high numbers. 

 

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1 hour ago, LoFasZz said:

50,000 deaths a day? 2.2 million people in the US gonna die?

There’s been 3,000 deaths in China. Y’all are crazy w those stupidly high numbers. 

 

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2 hours ago, LoFasZz said:

50,000 deaths a day? 2.2 million people in the US gonna die?

There’s been 3,000 deaths in China. Y’all are crazy w those stupidly high numbers.

Which is the number after China locked down half of its citizens which slowed the growth (flattened the curve).

You cannot compare the number after a lockdown to what might happen without a lockdown which is the projected study's numbers.

 

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9 minutes ago, FresnoFacts said:

Which is the number after China locked down half of its citizens which slowed the growth (flattened the curve).

You cannot compare the number after a lockdown to what might happen without a lockdown which is the projected study's numbers.

It's as if some of these people never took a calculus class in either high school or college.

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