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8 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

That wasn’t Bob’s fault.

So what is he spiking the football about?  That viruses that pass through enough hosts almost always, always, always, mutate to become less virulent?  Like pretty much EVERYBODY knew was going to happen, eventually, it was only a matter of time and in that time the societal harm the Antivax narrative would cause was the major concern?  Cause the damage was catastrophic and did not have to be just that bad.

So why is the football being spiked?  Because the virus did what viruses do and science is still a thing?

  

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50 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

So what is he spiking the football about?  That viruses that pass through enough hosts almost always, always, always, mutate to become less virulent?  Like pretty much EVERYBODY knew was going to happen, eventually, it was only a matter of time and in that time the societal harm the Antivax narrative would cause was the major concern?  Cause the damage was catastrophic and did not have to be just that bad.

So why is the football being spiked?  Because the virus did what viruses do and science is still a thing?

Viruses do what they do. But two days hence, the “mask” of a lot of “science” is going to come off. It was political posturing and it’s becoming politically untenable. Here’s a taste.

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Like I told you 8 months ago Bob, get vaccinated and you can be right about masks and lockdowns and school closures and the catastrophic damage that sort of stuff did on the human psyche. But trust me on the vax.

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1 minute ago, tspoke said:

It's Bob.... So.... Yes? 

I guess I just don't get why a virus doing what viruses almost always do when passed through enough hosts is a TD dance.  Everybody pretty much was in agreement that SARS-CoV-2 was likely to mutate itself into common cold/flu range as far as virulence.  The question was always what the costs would end up being before that point, and the costs were catastrophic in LARGE part to the Bobs...

 

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11 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Viruses do what they do. But two days hence, the “mask” of a lot of “science” is going to come off. It was political posturing and it’s becoming politically untenable. Here’s a taste.

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Like I told you 8 months ago Bob, get vaccinated and you can be right about masks and lockdowns and school closures and the catastrophic damage that did on the human psyche that sort of stuff did. But trust me on the vax.

 

So where does the spike come from?  Are you saying that mask use and social distancing did not help slow down the up-curve and expedite the down curve during the various waves?  Where does the spike come in as a result of a virus that passes through a large population doing what viruses passing said populations do?  

While all indications are that Omicron is less severe, probably significantly so, the rate of transmission means several months of reduced quality of care, even if it is like 20% as virulent.  That would not be the case if they vaxed for sure.  And masks and social distance would not hurt that either (although not in favor of mandates for either, or public guilt, [not the same for vax, get the vax bitches]).

 

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2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

So where does the spike come from?  Are you saying that mask use and social distancing did not help slow down the up-curve and expedite the down curve during the various waves?  Where does the spike come in as a result of a virus that passes through a large population doing what viruses passing said populations do?  

While all indications are that Omicron is less severe, probably significantly so, the rate of transmission means several months of reduced quality of care, even if it is like 20% as virulent.  That would not be the case if they vaxed for sure.  And masks and social distance would not hurt that either (although not in favor of mandates for either).

 

There isn’t a lot of evidence that masks helped. Almost all the masks people wore were next to useless. Social distancing works when you can afford to live like a hermit. Most can’t and those that can don’t. And worse, those that demanded both of others constantly flaunted it.

The vaccines were the only “science” that worked.

The spikes are largely seasonal and geographical. Islands fared better than landlocked countries. Viruses do what they do when they can and where they can. We suspected this stuff a summer ago. Almost none of the discourse has been driven by science for quite awhile.

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13 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

There isn’t a lot of evidence that masks helped. Almost all the masks people wore were next to useless. Social distancing works when you can afford to live like a hermit. Most can’t and those that can don’t. And worse, those that demanded both of others constantly flaunted it.

The vaccines were the only “science” that worked.

The spikes are largely seasonal and geographical. Islands fared better than landlocked countries. Viruses do what they do when they can and where they can. We suspected this stuff a summer ago. Almost none of the discourse has been driven by science for quite awhile.

 

No there is a metric shit ton of evidence showing that those with any amount of viral load they could expel, expel less viral shed into range that can/would infect others compared to those that do not.  That means that X amount of people, wherein X is no small number, who properly wore masks infected less people than they would have otherwise.  That is the science.  Masks were no golden ticket, but they are not a nothing burger either.  General changes in societal behavior helped slow the spread as well, especially early on.  We stopped the hand shake.  We stopped the hug and great.  We made sure to pace ourselves a certain distance from others when out and about.  

All the above aside, that has nothing to do with how Omicron being less virulent means Bob can spike the football.  What it really shows is that you thought Bob should have been spiking the football on masks and distancing and whatnot the entire time, because Omicron literally has nothing to do with that.  

In fact, somebody who has been extolling the virtues of his "bullet proof natural immunity" should not only not be spiking a football, he should be wearing a fake mustache and changing his name.  Cus what if it was just as virulent but had the same escabability and RO ?  

 

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10 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

No there is a metric shit ton of evidence showing that those with any amount of viral load they could expel, expel less viral shed into range that can/would infect others compared to those that do not.  That means that X amount of people, wherein X is no small number, who properly wore masks infected less people than they would have otherwise.  That is the science.  Masks were no golden ticket, but they are not a nothing burger either.  General changes in societal behavior helped slow the spread as well, especially early on.  We stopped the hand shake.  We stopped the hug and great.  We made sure to pace ourselves a certain distance from others when out and about.  

All the above aside, that has nothing to do with how Omicron being less virulent means Bob can spike the football.  What it really shows is that you thought Bob should have been spiking the football on masks and distancing and whatnot the entire time, because Omicron literally has nothing to do with that.  

In fact, somebody who has been extolling the virtues of his "bullet proof natural immunity" should not only not be spiking a football, he should be wearing a fake mustache and changing his name.  Cus what if it was just as virulent but had the same escabability and RO ?  

Bob was spiking the football on masks and distancing the entire time. Like, what are you talking about? If you could isolate human beings for 14 days at enough distance, that would kill the virus off completely (this was something Fauci truly said in the beginning). But the constant variable is not humans. And viral load is as much the inconstant variable as are humans. Those that “infected” others did not necessarily do so with the same amount of viral load each time. That’s not science, that’s the sims hoping it’s science because the math in the algorithm works. The algorithms didn’t work. They haven’t worked and they still aren’t working.

Handshakes and hugs are a drop in the ocean with an airborne virus. They’re not a drop in the ocean in the human experience. Measure that.

In fact, don’t. You were just extolling the virtues of the South Park special. Resist your urge to argue. Because I left this thread pretty much to itself a long time ago once I got vaxxed. I only dropped in to chastise people for mocking those that got sick and died, including Bob.

On the whole Bob won. He was right. It is endemic. The vaccines don’t stop the spread. The masks were useless. Everybody is going to get it at some point in their lives. It’s time to put the adjunct epidemiology expertise away. It’s as useless as the real epidemiologists were.

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27 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

No there is a metric shit ton of evidence showing that those with any amount of viral load they could expel, expel less viral shed into range that can/would infect others compared to those that do not.  That means that X amount of people, wherein X is no small number, who properly wore masks infected less people than they would have otherwise.  That is the science.  Masks were no golden ticket, but they are not a nothing burger either.  General changes in societal behavior helped slow the spread as well, especially early on.  We stopped the hand shake.  We stopped the hug and great.  We made sure to pace ourselves a certain distance from others when out and about.  

All the above aside, that has nothing to do with how Omicron being less virulent means Bob can spike the football.  What it really shows is that you thought Bob should have been spiking the football on masks and distancing and whatnot the entire time, because Omicron literally has nothing to do with that.  

In fact, somebody who has been extolling the virtues of his "bullet proof natural immunity" should not only not be spiking a football, he should be wearing a fake mustache and changing his name.  Cus what if it was just as virulent but had the same escabability and RO ?  

 

Nonsense. The only thing that the face diapers do is act as a placebo effect to alleviate your fear. You’re afraid of a “virus“ that has a 99.98% recovery rate for anyone that does not have comorbidities. You literally have a higher chance of dying from a bee staying if you are relatively healthy. Did you get your bee sting vaccine yet? Your government does not care about you and billion dollar pharmaceutical companies are not benevolent. This has never been about health and safety. For the love of God how much pride can so many people have without admitting that they were wrong or at least asking some questions. 

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23 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Bob was spiking the football on masks and distancing the entire time. Like, what are you talking about?

Yes, yes he was.  And the evidence overwhelmingly showed that masks and distancing reduced spread.  

 

23 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

If you could isolate human beings for 14 days at enough distance, that would kill the virus off completely (this was something Fauci truly said in the beginning).

Well, that is not "literally" what was said but yes, that 14 days to kill the curve shit was stupid.  It did bend the spread for a bit but by the point the bend flattened, there was community spread in every pocket of the country.  

 

23 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

But the constant variable is not humans. And viral load is as much the inconstant variable as are humans. Those that “infected” others did not necessarily do so with the same amount of viral load each time. That’s not science, that’s the sims hoping it’s science because the math in the algorithm works. The algorithms didn’t work. They haven’t worked and they still aren’t working.

 

No it is nothing to do with algorithms.  It is far simpler than that.  The viral load ONE, that is say YOU sheds has less of a chance of infecting others if you are wearing a mask, and if you are 6 feet away from somebody.  Nothing to do with algorithms or projections, just the movement of small bodies, droplets included, through gas.  

23 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Handshakes and hugs are a drop in the ocean with an airborne virus. They’re not a drop in the ocean in the human experience. Measure that.

 

 

Well, the removing of handshakes and hugs literally means less time in which the shed virus from one individual can give the next a sufficient viral load for infection.  If everybody you just passed or talked to transmitted the virus, the RO would be exponentially higher.  You are much more likely to transmit the virus if you are talking up close, shaking hands, than what we have seen, which is a definite increase of distance in the office and outside.  Just the way science works, it how transmittable the virus is.  This is not rocket surgery.   

23 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

In fact, don’t. You were just extolling the virtues of the South Park special. Resist your urge to argue. Because I left this thread pretty much to itself a long time ago once I got vaxxed. I only dropped in to chastise people for mocking those that got sick and died, including Bob.

  South Park special was great.  Do you think leaving this thread after you got vaxxed is, like, a point of pride?  I don't think it is either here nor there and a weird thing to bring up.  

Mocking those that got sick is stupid.  Not a fan of grave dancing.  

23 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

On the whole Bob won. He was right. It is endemic. The vaccines don’t stop the spread. The masks were useless. Everybody is going to get it at some point in their lives. It’s time to put the adjunct epidemiology expertise away. It’s as useless as the real epidemiologists were.

 

It's been an assumed endemic on this thread for a long, long time.  Maybe if you read it more you would have gotten that?  

Nothing to do with the fact's above.  

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18 minutes ago, thespywhozaggedme said:

Nonsense. The only thing that the face diapers do is act as a placebo effect to alleviate your fear. You’re afraid of a “virus“ that has a 99.98% recovery rate for anyone that does not have comorbidities. You literally have a higher chance of dying from a bee staying if you are relatively healthy. Did you get your bee sting vaccine yet? Your government does not care about you and billion dollar pharmaceutical companies are not benevolent. This has never been about health and safety. For the love of God how much pride can so many people have without admitting that they were wrong or at least asking some questions. 

 

Lol.  

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6 minutes ago, xx_97 said:

You think a dumb sheep can't be evil?   ROFL

You are even dumber than I thought..........and still evil

 

By the way, did you really hand out a ban because I said Malcolm X's referring to an entire race of people as "devils" was Hitler-like rhetoric???  Seems pretty evil and horribly racist to me.      Right?  @Jeffkills

@thelawlorfaithful, well, there certainly have been more pointless dialogues....^^^^^^^^^^^

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8 minutes ago, xx_97 said:

I wouldn't finally admitting they were wrong in the last few weeks as being a "long, long time"......but.....yeah.....something like that.

 

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature centigrade knew the nonsenses about vaccines saving the world and Biden claiming he would eradicate Covid was bullshit.     Some were just too damn stupid.

Do you know what endemic means?  Seams people are really +++++ing confused on it.  It means the disease is limited to specific regions and the spread of which is something that can be accounted for and predictable to the point it is under-control. 

The overwhelming hope and thought for like 16 months is that SARS-CoV-2 will become endemic, that was the goal, but the speed at which that happened depended on the response.  

Goodness.  

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5 minutes ago, xx_97 said:

What a stupid ass answer.   Endemic has nothing to do with "predictability".     Influenza is endemic and some years it can't be virtually a non-factor and other years it can be quite widespread.     We have no idea what regions or how extensive it's going to be 3 years from now.......hell.....even a year from now.    Endemic just means it's going to be going around into perpetuity you dummy.

 

You are one of those idiots that still hides in his basement with 5 masks stuffed in his mouth, aren't you?

 

No, it LITERALLY does.  An endemic can become an epidemic when it spreads outside the realm of estimation for season, at that point is an epidemic, endemic.  SARS-CoV-2 was always thought to stay.  That is what the numbers said.  It being an endemic is nothing new, not a newly accepted thought.  It has been accepted for a while.  It won't be a Pandemic forever, that time frame always depended on our reaction, globally.  

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3 minutes ago, xx_97 said:

It CAN be....not in this case.     It's going to be endemic everywhere........like the flu.    Endemic means "in the population".     Malara is endemic to certain regions.....but always there.     Flu and covid are endemic......but they wax and wane all over the globe.

 

Good lord

No, the goal was always to make it an ENDEMIC, meaning it will always be around, but only in specific regions at one time with a level of PREDICTABILITY.  Not a virus raging around the world, at once, just with dips and valleys, that is a PANDEMIC.  Oh and the flu is seasonally epidemic, not endemic.  

Good lord.

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46 minutes ago, xx_97 said:

I never said "raging aroudn the world at once".     It hasn't even done that in the last 20 months.  It will be present in ALL countries......waxing and waning.    You just don't understand how the word "endemic" is used and what it means here.

 

You will have hot spots.....you will have cool spots.....but those spots will rotate.    There is simply nothing that can be done about it......just like the flu.   It's endemic here......and everyone.

 

SARS-CoV-2 =right now a PANDEMIC, due to the way it spreads across global populations, it's activeness across said diverse populations, low level of predictability in spread.  Health care apparatuses can not anticipate with any degree of confidence in the future when they will be stressed.

Flu= An endemic, seasonal epidemic that in rare years is turns into a pandemic.  We can anticipate the case load by time of year everywhere on earth.  Some seasons worse than others, but most the world knows early on how bad it will be and it does not for the season fall out of the range while it passes through various geographical regions.

Malaria= Endemic. Cold=Endemic.  Some places will always have it (malaria) where others will never get it, or it will circulate globally (cold) in predictable patterns without significant stress.  That was always the goal with COVID.  If we want it to become endemic faster, well, getting vaccinated sure would help... 

But, there is hope that even SARS-CoV-2 will become an eventual completely localized if not extinct disease due to advances.  We are coming a very long way in rapid order towards some big breakthroughs in bio tech.  

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