madmartigan Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Billings said: so who do your trust? your own bias? My news source is 1440 https://join1440.com Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmartigan Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, TheSanDiegan said: It has f*ckall to do with media, mainstream or otherwise. It has to do with science. And yes, the media has an ethical responsibility to report this. Even if only a quarter of our fellow Murcans are still capable of ingesting information and subsequently adjusting their own behaviors as if they're not raging psychopaths, then should't they be informed of these developments so they can make more informed decisions? ETA: My apologies for the name calling. FWIW, I use "dufus" as a term of endearment when friends or family say something really stupid. And if it helps at all, we're all sick and tired of this shit. But as TEOTWAWKI scenarios go, this one still allows us to #MWCBoard, drink, smoke, and Netflix and chill, so it's not all that bad. You’re a good man. I have learned a lot from posters like you. Call me dufus anytime. 1 Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, madmartigan said: My news source is 1440 https://join1440.com I will look but I have found AP and BBC to be solid reporting of news 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 So in the UK https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59711474 Its science advisers warn continuing with Plan B could lead to the number of people being infected each day peaking between 600,000 and two million, which could put the NHS under intense pressure. Cases Doubling ever couple of days now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billings Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, grandjean87 said: On a serious note, I just got word my closest cousin is in an ICU in Northern Colorado proned on a ventilator . His wife was also admitted to the hospital and is on oxygen, but doing okay at present. Both are late 60s, she is a diabetic, and he has an a-fib cardio issue. We had a short, fun family reunion this summer in NoCo. Families were split between vaxxed and not/anti-vaxxed including their (cousin and wife) two kid’s families (one vaxxed, other not). I knew this might happen, and I’m just sick at heart over it. My cousin is a retired red neck wrasslin’ coach and collision repair teacher. Finished 2nd nationally his second year in JC. Almost a caricature of the hate Nancy and Joe crowd. Attracted to Trump by mutual disdain. The vaccine stance is drawn in a direct line to unthinking medical decisions via politics. Fvck Covid and just about everything right now. Sorry to hear that. I have a lot of friends in Wyo and Montana but most are vaccinated and boosted. A few family members are at risk though and they just refuse to discuss anything that they disagree with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmartigan Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, Billings said: I will look but I have found AP and BBC to be solid reporting of news Thomson Reuters also does a fair job. 1 Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, madmartigan said: Thomson Reuters also does a fair job. Reuters, AP for least bias. BBC, NPR do a good job. WSJ and NYT for slight biases with great reporting and the occasional spicy biased op-ed. WaPo is good. Some good foreign papers, too. The two major Japanese papers, the Yomiuri and and Asahi are especially good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmartigan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Reuters, AP for least bias. BBC, NPR do a good job. WSJ and NYT for slight biases with great reporting and the occasional spicy biased op-ed. WaPo is good. Some good foreign papers, too. The two major Japanese papers, the Yomiuri and and Asahi are especially good. What if I don’t speak or read Japanese? Big problem or no? Quote There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, madmartigan said: What if I don’t speak or read Japanese? Big problem or no? No. English edition. https://the-japan-news.com/ https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/ 3 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, madmartigan said: What if I don’t speak or read Japanese? Big problem or no? Most large foreign papers have an English version, including those two. I read Pravda sometimes for shits and giggles, @CPslograd angry scowls aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripple effect Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Billings said: I will look but I have found AP and BBC to be solid reporting of news Those two, absolutely, are at the top. Also, Reuters. I like PBS too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SalinasSpartan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Maji said: Well that’s not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said: Well that’s not good. Only if France is kicking people out of ICU’s for Covid policy reasons. If not, that means Covid people are leaving, healthy, real quick. Which means Omicron winning means something genuinely more like the flu than a world halting pandemic. They’re not stacking bodies like they were last spring, that’s for sure. 3 Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 22 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Only if France is kicking people out of ICU’s for Covid policy reasons. If not, that means Covid people are leaving, healthy, real quick. Which means Omicron winning means something genuinely more like the flu than a world halting pandemic. They’re not stacking bodies like they were last spring, that’s for sure. O shit I only glanced at that graphic and completely misinterpreted it. Thought it was just ICU admissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Only if France is kicking people out of ICU’s for Covid policy reasons. If not, that means Covid people are leaving, healthy, real quick. Which means Omicron winning means something genuinely more like the flu than a world halting pandemic. They’re not stacking bodies like they were last spring, that’s for sure. That is actually what data from South African and a study from Hong Kong is showing, that the length of illness is much less with Omicron and that Omicron is attacking the bronchial area than the lung area with infected people which is also a hypothesis why Omicron is spreading more quickly than previous versions but also appears with data less hospitalization and less death rate as well which still more data is coming in. It is also possible it has peaked in South Africa already as rates are starting to come down which is leading to another hypothesis that this is a quick hitter so to say but heavy hitter. In Britain they are showing similar testing results from hospitals as South Africa did. As of two days ago, 85 people were in the hospital labeled with Omicron, 50% of those 85 people only found to have Omicron when they were going through a test in the hospital for something else and found on test results. But things and new data is always coming in, but doctors and scientists are cautiously optimistic right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said: O shit I only glanced at that graphic and completely misinterpreted it. Thought it was just ICU admissions. I did really quick as well and then went back and re-read what it said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Karma tempting? Well, I hope not. I’m sitting outside sipping tea, and I can’t get my mind off my cousin who is chemically paralyzed, proned, and on a ventilator right now. Didn’t sleep much last night. I’m recalling his referring to the vaccines as causing “something reptilian” last summer. Fvck Sarah Palin. But, I hope she never ends up like my cousin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSanDiegan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Only if France is kicking people out of ICU’s for Covid policy reasons. If not, that means Covid people are leaving, healthy, real quick. Which means Omicron winning means something genuinely more like the flu than a world halting pandemic. They’re not stacking bodies like they were last spring, that’s for sure. Don't get too excited. While that graph indicates that roughly 5x as many patients are exiting the ICU w/in 7 days, you're still only talking about 1% of all ICU COVID patients leaving the ICU w/in 7 days (as opposed to .2%). That's still a very underwhelming percentage of all ICU COVID patients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfpack1 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, TheSanDiegan said: Don't get too excited. While that graph indicates that roughly 5x as many patients are exiting the ICU w/in 7 days, you're still only talking about 1% of all ICU COVID patients leaving the ICU w/in 7 days (as opposed to .2%). That's still a very underwhelming percentage of all ICU COVID patients. And it doesn't also show which are Delta and which are from Omicron either. But that is why some scientists and doctors are cautiously optimistic with omicron information they are getting but its going to be a bit because of the mix between the two. Yesterday it was 60% of new cases in Britain were Omicron but Delta is still there for now so there is going to be some mixed data there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
