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Big numbers of covid positives on 2 flights from South Africa to the Netherlands.  Yea this one is already in the US

 

https://indianewsrepublic.com/dozens-of-covid-19-cases-in-flight-from-south-africa-dutch-officials-say/558910/

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1 hour ago, bornontheblue said:

Man, I hope the fears of this variant are Unrealized. If this variant is more deadly than Delta , society will not be able to handle it 

No evidence of deadlier.  It seems Delta had burned through South Africa so the O might not be as contagious as feared due to all those spike mutations.  

I think it’s just a short time to watch and see. We’ll know more soon, but I fully expect that those w/immunity via convalescent status and/or vaccination will have fair protection from severe disease even for Omicron. 
 


 

 

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10 minutes ago, grandjean87 said:

No evidence of deadlier.  It seems Delta had burned through South Africa so the O might not be as contagious as feared due to all those spike mutations.  

I think it’s just a short time to watch and see. We’ll know more soon, but I fully expect that those w/immunity via convalescent status and/or vaccination will have fair protection from severe disease even for Omicron. 
 


 

 

Gdam  I’m so tired of this virus @grandjean87

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11 hours ago, bornontheblue said:

Gdam  I’m so tired of this virus @grandjean87

I am, too. 

No surge in hospitalizations in South Africa is yet occurring.  A few well travelers have been identified so like the rest of the main strains, there will be a wide range of outcomes and most will be asymptomatic to mild. This may be the start of the endemic phase depending on how it goes and is eventually categorized. 

We now have more therapeutics, more convalescent patients, and plenty of vaccines (USA).  It’s too early to tell what Omicron will do, but I don’t think it’s going to be as deadly here as our Delta wave.  The global challenge is to get the less developed world immunized to high levels, get those newer vaccines out there, and have widespread distribution of effective therapeutics. Eventually, we’ll have a pan-coronavirus vaccine.

Back here in SW Idaho, we are who we are.   I just do my friendly thing to all I meet wherever.  Cast as much sunshine as I can.  

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Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, has closed its borders to all non-citizens

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/583254-israel-closes-borders-to-all-foreigners-due-to-omicron-variant

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8 hours ago, grandjean87 said:

I am, too. 

No surge in hospitalizations in South Africa is yet occurring.  A few well travelers have been identified so like the rest of the main strains, there will be a wide range of outcomes and most will be asymptomatic to mild. This may be the start of the endemic phase depending on how it goes and is eventually categorized. 

We now have more therapeutics, more convalescent patients, and plenty of vaccines (USA).  It’s too early to tell what Omicron will do, but I don’t think it’s going to be as deadly here as our Delta wave.  The global challenge is to get the less developed world immunized to high levels, get those newer vaccines out there, and have widespread distribution of effective therapeutics. Eventually, we’ll have a pan-coronavirus vaccine.

Back here in SW Idaho, we are who we are.   I just do my friendly thing to all I meet wherever.  Cast as much sunshine as I can.  

My concern is that it is far more contagious, like measles.   That will rip through the unvaccinated and those with no previous exposure quickly and mess up the hospitals again, or still in some states.  Many more high risk patients will die unless it has lessened in severity.. 

 

Worse case is measels contagious and can breakthrough the vaccines and previous infections.  I doubt we see that but.....

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1 hour ago, Billings said:

My concern is that it is far more contagious, like measles.   That will rip through the unvaccinated and those with no previous exposure quickly and mess up the hospitals again, or still in some states.  Many more high risk patients will die unless it has lessened in severity.. 

 

Worse case is measels contagious and can breakthrough the vaccines and previous infections.  I doubt we see that but.....

Just time to observe.  Be ready for what occurs.  

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1 hour ago, Maji said:

Incredibly dumb

oh who knows.   Better safe than Sorry kind of applies here.  They are also very advanced technically so may be doing what their scientists say.

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1 hour ago, grandjean87 said:

Just time to observe.  Be ready for what occurs.  

Observations From South Africa.

"Even though total cases across South Africa are still relatively low, health authorities are seeing a definite pattern in the people who are arriving in the hospital with serious illness: They’re younger and largely not fully vaccinated. “We’re seeing a marked change in the demographic profile of patients with COVID-19,” Rudo Mathivha, head of the intensive care unit at Soweto’s Baragwanath Hospital, said at an online press briefing. “Young people, in their 20s to just over their late 30s, are coming in with moderate to severe disease, some needing intensive care. About 65 percent are not vaccinated and most of the rest are only half-vaccinated.” 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/omicron-covid-south-africa-travel-bans-hospitals-surge.html

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5 minutes ago, Billings said:

Observations From South Africa.

"Even though total cases across South Africa are still relatively low, health authorities are seeing a definite pattern in the people who are arriving in the hospital with serious illness: They’re younger and largely not fully vaccinated. “We’re seeing a marked change in the demographic profile of patients with COVID-19,” Rudo Mathivha, head of the intensive care unit at Soweto’s Baragwanath Hospital, said at an online press briefing. “Young people, in their 20s to just over their late 30s, are coming in with moderate to severe disease, some needing intensive care. About 65 percent are not vaccinated and most of the rest are only half-vaccinated.” 

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/omicron-covid-south-africa-travel-bans-hospitals-surge.html

Encouraging and yet not so at the same time.

 

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16 hours ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Encouraging and yet not so at the same time.

 

We’re really early and no real data on it’s severity. Reuters has an article up on Omicron interviewing the head of their medical association saying that the symptoms are mostly fever, fatigue and body aches, relatively mild compared to other strains she’s treated. Hopefully all this knee jerk responses are premature.

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1 hour ago, NMpackalum said:

We’re really early and no real data on it’s severity. Reuters has an article up on Omicron interviewing the head of their medical association saying that the symptoms are mostly fever, fatigue and body aches, relatively mild compared to other strains she’s treated. Hopefully all this knee jerk responses are premature.

If this ends up causing more mild symptoms than other variants this could be a positive development, right? 

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1 hour ago, NMpackalum said:

We’re really early and no real data on it’s severity. Reuters has an article up on Omicron interviewing the head of their medical association saying that the symptoms are mostly fever, fatigue and body aches, relatively mild compared to other strains she’s treated. Hopefully all this knee jerk responses are premature.

 

yep but there is this

 

 Katelyn Jetelina, an epidemiologist and biostatistician at the University of Texas Health Science Center at Houston’s School of Public Health.

Jetelina referred to epidemiological modeling research estimating omicron is 500% more transmissible than the original novel coronavirus, while the delta variant was found to be 70% more transmissible.

 

If is escapes the vaccines and previous infections, then yea you will l get it or get it again if that is close to accurate.  Just a matter of time

 

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