bornontheblue Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 22 hours ago, Bob said: I gave you enough information for you to educate yourself on what kind of man he is. Now go look it up Where did Fauci touch you @BobShow us on the doll where Fauci touched you!!! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 20 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Yay? To answer the posts original question this is how bad it’s going to be. We will be rooting for a variant of the disease to beat other versions. Get vaccinated. When I first asked the question I wanted to know if there was any experts on infectious diseases here. Regular people had no idea how this was going to play out, lol. We thought it would run its course in a couple weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 19 hours ago, IanforHeisman said: Man remember like 1995 with limited internet and average Joe would just defer to people who specialize in shit when a problem occurred. I was tired of being an expert on Covid, so then I decided to become one on Afghanistan, now I’m back to Covid again. The internet has made us collectively dumber. It used to be that every family had a crazy @Bob who spouted off conspiracy theories at Thanksgiving and everyone just patted him on the head and said that is crazy uncle @Bob God bless him. Now all the @Bobs can find each other on Facebook and stupid moves across the internet at light speed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Maji said: This thread is really gonna hit 1,000 pages We are just getting started friend 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, bornontheblue said: This is tiring. Bob it has been explained multiple times. On 12/13/2021 at 4:29 PM, RSF said: Like the old saying goes. I can explain it to you, but I can't help you understand. Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4UNLV Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 fwiw.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, bornontheblue said: When I first asked the question I wanted to know if there was any experts on infectious diseases here. Regular people had no idea how this was going to play out, lol. We thought it would run its course in a couple weeks. Yeah yeah yeah, this is probably what Spartacus said as they were all being crucified. Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 23 hours ago, Bob said: why are the vaccines and masks not working define "not working" imo, they are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And? Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Quote I hate to say stuff like this. But perhaps the answer really is to prioritize the cardiac patient over the unvaccinated Covid patient when hospitals are overrun? Ration care to the willfully unvaccinated in field hospitals so we can prioritize patients who have nothing do with it. Such a repugnant idea on its face, though. 2 hours ago, bornontheblue said: Not repugnant in my mind. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Choices have consequences. Where does this thinking end though? We aren't horses in this country and we don't get led to water. Choices having consequences isn't even a half formed solution to any problem. Because the motocross racer made choices, his right to medical attention is lessened? What if the vaccine would unnecessarily risk exacerbating existing cardiac issues in an individual? That's why equal access works better, unless martial law is needed, because it takes the deciding part out of the potentially wrong or currently uninformed hands every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Growing up, Marshall Law was one of my favorite westerns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 5 hours ago, And? said: Where does this thinking end though? We aren't horses in this country and we don't get led to water. Choices having consequences isn't even a half formed solution to any problem. Because the motocross racer made choices, his right to medical attention is lessened? What if the vaccine would unnecessarily risk exacerbating existing cardiac issues in an individual? That's why equal access works better, unless marshal law is needed, because it takes the deciding part out of the potentially wrong or currently uninformed hands every time. Injured motorcyclists are overwhelming the health care system? If we have to ration health care because idiots wont take precautions to preserve capacity then those who wont take the precautions should go to the back of the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orygun Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Just now, bornontheblue said: Injured motorcyclists are overwhelming the health care system. If we have to ration health care because idiots wont take precautions to preserve capacity then those who wont take the precautions should go to the back of the line. That’s fine untiL someone decides your heart attack was your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, bornontheblue said: Injured motorcyclists are overwhelming the health care system. If we have to ration health care because idiots wont take precautions to preserve capacity then those who wont take the precautions should go to the back of the line. I don’t think that’s part of the Hippocratic Oath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 minute ago, soupslam1 said: I don’t think that’s part of the Hippocratic Oath. I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help. 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, RSF said: I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help. You left out several sentences above that appear to be appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSF Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, soupslam1 said: You left out a sentence that appears to be appropriate. Not really. Prioritization is part of the triage process, even (and especially) when life and death is concerned. 1 Quote It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, RSF said: Not really. Prioritization is part of the triage process, even (and especially) when life and death is concerned. I don’t see the part in the HO that allow doctors to choose who is most worthy to live and die. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, soupslam1 said: I don’t see the part in the HO that allow doctors to choose who is most worthy to live and die. Don't they do just that with transplant lists? And military doctors would have to do that in the face of finite resources, so I would assume if it really came down to it, it could happen in the real world. Now, COVID being the eliminator would probably be a stretch. I would be for universal healthcare with stipulations that free services could be reduced or refused if it can be proven the patient created or exacerbated the issue (smokers, gluttons, extreme activity enthusiasts, etc). Those would be out of the patients pocket. So, in other words, I would support the prioritization, and as of now, if a hospital were slammed due to unexempted and unvaccinated, that may need to be factored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, East Coast Aztec said: Don't they do just that with transplant lists? And military doctors would have to do that in the face of finite resources, so I would assume if it really came down to it, it could happen in the real world. Now, COVID being the eliminator would probably be a stretch. I would be for universal healthcare with stipulations that free services could be reduced or refused if it can be proven the patient created or exacerbated the issue (smokers, gluttons, extreme activity enthusiasts, etc). Those would be out of the patients pocket. I really don’t care that much. I just don’t see the unvaccinated as evil people that deserve to die, or that we should be picking and choosing in the Covid situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, soupslam1 said: I don’t see the part in the HO that allow doctors to choose who is most worthy to live and die. So you’re against triage now? LOL wut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
