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28 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

Lol. You keep being you Bob.

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Increases in COVID‑19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

 

So why the mandates?

Unless you think like @SharkTanked, to preserve the medical capactity, then if that's the case we also need to make illegal anything else that one voluntarity does to put the capacity of our hospitals at risk, like drinking, smoking, riding motorcycles, swimming, lifting weights, going up and down stairs.

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3 minutes ago, Bob said:

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Increases in COVID‑19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

 

So why the mandates?

Unless you think like @SharkTanked, to preserve the medical capactity, then if that's the case we also need to make illegal anything else that one voluntarity does to put the capacity of our hospitals at risk, like drinking, smoking, riding motorcycles, swimming, lifting weights, going up and down stairs.

WRONG. The present hospital capacity was built to accommodate those risks.

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3 minutes ago, SharkTanked said:

WRONG. The present hospital capacity was built to accommodate those risks.

OK. I guess everyone that doesn't agree with your opinion should lose their job. cool. Even those with natural immunity, which is better than the vax. OK

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10 minutes ago, Bob said:

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Increases in COVID‑19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

 

So why the mandates?

Unless you think like @SharkTanked, to preserve the medical capactity, then if that's the case we also need to make illegal anything else that one voluntarity does to put the capacity of our hospitals at risk, like drinking, smoking, riding motorcycles, swimming, lifting weights, going up and down stairs.

I've argued against mandates, particularly from the federal government. But the study you just used in your argument agrees with me. And you're not going to like it. That vaccines are important in mitigation efforts, but more is needed. Or to quote your study...

"Even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus."

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40 minutes ago, happycamper said:

or just vaccinate the entire crowd without asking as a miracle... :ph34r:

Jesus jabbing the five thousand…

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1 minute ago, Old_SD_Dude said:

Jesus jabbing the five thousand…

with only one syringe....  Sounds like a hippie love fest more than anything.

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Just now, modestobulldog said:

Rogan schools Sanjay Gupta about CNN lies about horse dewormer.

 

I listened to the whole thing. Rogan beat Sanjay like a rented mule.

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15 minutes ago, Bob said:

I listened to the whole thing. Rogan beat Sanjay like a rented mule.

Did you listen to the whole 3 hrs? The clip doesn't discuss the effectiveness of the medication, just CNN's reporting of it. Seems like the whole thing was just owning CNN for saying he took horse dewormer and Gupta agreeing they should not have called it that. I mean CNN pushing a narrative is hardly anything new.

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3 hours ago, Bob said:

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Increases in COVID‑19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7.pdf

 

So why the mandates?

Unless you think like @SharkTanked, to preserve the medical capactity, then if that's the case we also need to make illegal anything else that one voluntarity does to put the capacity of our hospitals at risk, like drinking, smoking, riding motorcycles, swimming, lifting weights, going up and down stairs.

Several issues with this paper I will expand upon below.

Please understand, this reply is not intended for Bobo - who has repeatedly demonstrated his inability to ingest data outside his bias ad nauseum - but rather for those, who like myself, found the title and gist of the paper interesting enough to actually read it and inspect its findings.

I have both been published and taken part in more peer reviews and acceptance tests than I care to remember. Below is the result of a cursory peer review:

1. There are serious issues with their source data. The reference for their cross-country dataset is simply the www.ourworldindata.org coronavirus landing page, without any url listed to the actual data they reference, or any accompanying .csv file that can be independently inspected. This is not simply an APA citation failure; it is a failure by most standards. The data is available in a table in the supplementary document once you go to the publication's url, but there is no - absolutely zero - link to a landing page with the source data to verify it:

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2. This becomes an issue because without the actual data set, the following graph - which indicates median, interquartile, and variation of prevalence rates - does not dovetail with the findings:

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Notice that both the median and interquartile ranges for infection rates trend down as the vaccination rates increase. :waiting:

3. Another issue is that the paper is lacking any statistical analysis other than the resultant graphs. I mean, where the f*ck is the chi-square test? :blink: In the absence of such basic expected accompanying data that would mathematicaly validate any purported findings, it is difficult to IV&V any reported correlation.

This becomes paramount when in the absence of such data, the authors presents a graph like this:

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At a glance, there is a weak, but present, positive correlation. However, not only do the authors fail to articulate what the correlation coefficient is anywhere in the paper, they fail to validate it though the presentation of even the most rudimentary statistical analysis. 

I honestly am surprised this was published in its current form, as it fails to meet the most basic requirements for being published in a scientific journal stateside. :shrug:

 

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1 hour ago, modestobulldog said:

Rogan schools Sanjay Gupta about CNN lies about horse dewormer.

 

Man, it would be great to see Lemon, Tucker, Ingraham and the rest of those folks on JRE.  Jon Stewart Jr. stuff

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3 hours ago, modestobulldog said:

Rogan schools Sanjay Gupta about CNN lies about horse dewormer.

 

Fair enough, but maybe try watching the entire podcast? Ffs, what is it with the nuthuggery that they have to flagrape every 2nd-hand news source that validates their feels? I mean, there's like two minutes of Rogan podcast in that entire 12 minute video.

Btw, for there record, saying ivermectin is a horse dewormer is not a lie. It is used as a horse dewormer. But for CNN to conflate veterinary medicine with regular human medicine was not entirely honest, and Dr. Gupta agreed with Rogan. Not sure where the "gotcha" is? :shrug:

As par with almost every Rogan podcast, it is an honest discussion. And while the Good Doctor deserved to get shit for the broad silo of 'horse dewormer' into which CNN cast Rogan's own prescription, for the rest of it he has been schooling Rogan on the risk-v-reward proposition of vaccination versus infection.

At the one hour mark, Rogan starts failing in his pushback regarding the occurrence of myocarditis in kids...

There is published data regarding myocarditis rates clearly shows you are 16x more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than from the vaccine.

Rogan got buttstuck on a paper that compared occurrence rates of myocarditis cases that required medical attention in vaccinated boys a certain age range to COVID hospitalization rates among the same age group. Rogan - either by feels or by bullshit - seems unable to ingest this very simple point, one that Gupta tried several times (unsuccessfully) to impart:

An apples-to-apples comparison would be i) myocarditis rates among vaccinated vs. unvaccinated, and ii) hospitalization rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated boys of the same age. Both of these have been studied and published.

In short - myocarditis rates are 16x higher in children with COVID as opposed to children who have been vaccinated (90+ per million vs. 5.8 per million), and children who are not vaccinated are 10x more likely to be hospitalized with COVID than children who are vaccinated.

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Maybe this is why the highest COVID hospitalization rates are in the states with the lowest vaccination rates (Link). :waiting: 

Anyway, as usual, I find there to be about a 9:1 signal-to-noise ratio in his podcast, with 90% good, open, honest discussion and 10% pssst... your bias is showing. But I'e always enjoyed listening to him and always ascribed that 10% of eyebrow-raising comments to simple bias that can color all our lenses from time to time.

 

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2 hours ago, East Coast Aztec said:

Man, it would be great to see Lemon, Tucker, Ingraham and the rest of those folks on JRE.  Jon Stewart Jr. stuff

WORLD STAR!!!!

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