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8 minutes ago, Bob said:

Mexico and USA have the exact same curve as far as deaths, but we've vaccinated way more.

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do you think that our reporting and Mexico's is comparable or are there, hmm, "too many variables"? 

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1 hour ago, happycamper said:

do you think that our reporting and Mexico's is comparable or are there, hmm, "too many variables"? 

I'm sure Mexico's decline was due to something else, but ours is due to vaccines!

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3 minutes ago, Bob said:

I'm sure Mexico's decline was due to something else, but ours is due to vaccines!

right, variables only matter when you're trying to deny science, now when you're trying to make questionable comparisons of your own!

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8 minutes ago, Bob said:

I'm sure Mexico's decline was due to something else, but ours is due to vaccines!

If you read about the situation in Mexico you woud find that the only covid deaths that are counted are people that die in hospitals. Covid deaths in Mexico have been massively undercounted all along.

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5 hours ago, Bob said:

works super well when your n95 mask gets damp from your breath, tard-o

That's why they aren't meant to be surgically attached to yer mouf, dumbass. Though I doubt anyone would complain in your case - maybe I'll launch a Kickstarter campaign to raise the money. What does outpatient OBGYN surgery cost in yer parts? $10? $20? 

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Dr. Shi then teamed up with Ralph S. Baric, an eminent coronavirus researcher at the University of North Carolina. Their work focused on enhancing the ability of bat viruses to attack humans so as to “examine the emergence potential (that is, the potential to infect humans) of circulating bat CoVs [coronaviruses].” In pursuit of this aim, in November 2015 they created a novel virus by taking the backbone of the SARS1 virus and replacing its spike protein with one from a bat virus (known as SHC014-CoV). This manufactured virus was able to infect the cells of the human airway, at least when tested against a lab culture of such cells.

The SHC014-CoV/SARS1 virus is known as a chimera because its genome contains genetic material from two strains of virus. If the SARS2 virus were to have been cooked up in Dr. Shi’s lab, then its direct prototype would have been the SHC014-CoV/SARS1 chimera, the potential danger of which concerned many observers and prompted intense discussion.

“If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” said Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris.

Dr. Baric and Dr. Shi referred to the obvious risks in their paper but argued they should be weighed against the benefit of foreshadowing future spillovers. Scientific review panels, they wrote, “may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue.” Given various restrictions being placed on gain-of function (GOF) research, matters had arrived in their view at “a crossroads of GOF research concerns; the potential to prepare for and mitigate future outbreaks must be weighed against the risk of creating more dangerous pathogens. In developing policies moving forward, it is important to consider the value of the data generated by these studies and whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved.” 

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Now about them bats...who should be allowed in those caves, if we  ever find them? Should anyone even be allowed to be messing around in there? Might we stop to consider that perhaps government funds amongst respectable countries should not be granted for certain spelunking in some caves?

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5 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Now about them bats...who should be allowed in those caves, if we  ever find them? Should anyone even be allowed to be messing around in there? Might we stop to consider that perhaps government funds amongst respectable countries should not be granted for certain spelunking in some caves?

Not sure what you’re getting at? People who’ve studied bat coronavirus and human transmission for decades shouldn’t be able to research that anymore because of an unfounded hypothesis about a virus leaking out of a lab?

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4 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said:

Not sure what you’re getting at? People who’ve studied bat coronavirus and human transmission for decades shouldn’t be able to research that anymore because of an unfounded hypothesis about a virus leaking out of a lab?

Studying is a very benign way to put it, so let me break it down for you. If we ever find the real cause, either way, the wisdom we should take sends us in two entirely different directions with each scenario.

If it’s a lab leak from experimentally making a virus more susceptible to spread in humans (which we know they were doing), we can’t allow that kind of research anymore in first rate countries. The risk is too great, the devastation too enormous, and the value gained from such study amounts to zero. Next time could be worse.

If we do ever find the likely animal culprit populations, we would need more of the type of lab research we’re talking about. What we didn’t know about this virus was devastating. Next time could be worse.

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57 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said:

Not sure what you’re getting at? People who’ve studied bat coronavirus and human transmission for decades shouldn’t be able to research that anymore because of an unfounded hypothesis about a virus leaking out of a lab?

+++++ that.  It is not unfounded and is currently the only logical explanation.  Where the +++++ are the intermediary species?!?!?!  Over 300 species have been tested and we came up with nothing.  We found the camels in MERS and the civics in SARS1 in months.

This clearly came out of the lab.

 

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40 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Studying is a very benign way to put it, so let me break it down for you. If we ever find the real cause, either way, the wisdom we should take sends us in two entirely different directions with each scenario.

If it’s a lab leak from experimentally making a virus more susceptible to spread in humans (which we know they were doing), we can’t allow that kind of research anymore in first rate countries. The risk is too great, the devastation too enormous, and the value gained from such study amounts to zero. Next time could be worse.

If we do ever find the likely animal culprit populations, we would need more of the type of lab research we’re talking about. What we didn’t know about this virus was devastating. Next time could be worse.

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Gain of function research is fine...if done in L4 labs.

L2?  +++++ you.

 

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Just now, halfmanhalfbronco said:

 

Gain of function research is fine...if done in L4 labs.

L2?  +++++ you.

 

No dude. All of the deaths from nuclear weapons and accidents are less than a tenth of Covid so far, and the rest of the world still has another year and multiple waves to go. A lab escape scenario is a nuclear proliferation type problem that needs to be addressed.

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2 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

No dude. All of the deaths from nuclear weapons and accidents are less than a tenth of Covid so far, and the rest of the world still has another year and multiple waves to go. A lab escape scenario is a nuclear proliferation type problem that needs to be addressed.

In an L4...just not going to happen.

The gap in security between L4 and 2 is like the gap between a horse and buggy and Space X

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Just now, thelawlorfaithful said:

 

 

What a horrible franchise and movie.

But no, seriously, the  best L4 labs are tight as hell.  Nothing is getting out.  An L2 lab is like, well my old pediatricians office.

The fact gain of function research for coronaviruses was allowed to take place in one is infuriating and the world should be rioting about it....but, you know, the WHO cleared em.  +++++ers.

 

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On 5/12/2021 at 1:55 PM, Old_SD_Dude said:

If you read about the situation in Mexico you woud find that the only covid deaths that are counted are people that die in hospitals. Covid deaths in Mexico have been massively undercounted all along.

And we have massively over counted all along. If you had a heart attack it was Covid that killed you. Our hospitals all got kick backs for the number of Covid cases reported so every death was due to Covid.

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6 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

And we have massively over counted all along. If you had a heart attack it was Covid that killed you. Our hospitals all got kick backs for the number of Covid cases reported so every death was due to Covid.

 

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