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Corona Virus - How bad is it going to be?

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19 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

This new public mask mandate is dumber than +++++. This shit is spreading in private gatherings, not public ones, so I don't understand the whole implementation other than just for some health officials to say "see! we're doing something!". It's like filling up a gas tank to fix a flat tire.

Look at LA, they've had this mandate for 2 weeks and cases aren't falling in any noticeable way.

http://dashboard.publichealth.lacounty.gov/covid19_surveillance_dashboard/

Time to just move on and let nature take its course and quit inconveniencing everyone else for the sake of "saving" people who have shown no interest in the "saving" being pushed.

It truly is a spectacle that 98% of the people still dying from this disease in this country are unvaccinated - and people still question the efficacy of the vaccine.  I have yet to see compelling data of all the people dying and having severe issues with the vaccine.  Hospitals are full of covid patients, not people reacting to a vaccine.  It’s mind-numbing to me.

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27 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

I agree, which is why I've been anti-mandate.

I'm starting to agree with this. It's easy to be upset at the anti-vaxxers for "creating" these mandates because they're now overwhelming the hospitals. But maybe we should be pointing the fingers more at the law makers making these mandates to begin with. If they are going to do this, target the ppl that are causing the issues.

Make a mandate that it's your right to not get vaccinated, but you can't open your business without your employees being vaccinated or shop/eat in public without it either. Pretty much change last years "mask" mandates to "vaccination" mandates. 

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1 hour ago, Stealthlobo said:

I'm starting to agree with this. It's easy to be upset at the anti-vaxxers for "creating" these mandates because they're now overwhelming the hospitals. But maybe we should be pointing the fingers more at the law makers making these mandates to begin with. If they are going to do this, target the ppl that are causing the issues.

Make a mandate that it's your right to not get vaccinated, but you can't open your business without your employees being vaccinated or shop/eat in public without it either. Pretty much change last years "mask" mandates to "vaccination" mandates. 

Cue the “Mark of the Beast!!!” nonsense.

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1 hour ago, Stealthlobo said:

I'm starting to agree with this. It's easy to be upset at the anti-vaxxers for "creating" these mandates because they're now overwhelming the hospitals. But maybe we should be pointing the fingers more at the law makers making these mandates to begin with. If they are going to do this, target the ppl that are causing the issues.

Make a mandate that it's your right to not get vaccinated, but you can't open your business without your employees being vaccinated or shop/eat in public without it either. Pretty much change last years "mask" mandates to "vaccination" mandates. 

New York is passing a vaccination mandate for dining in or using the gym, the only issue I have with that is the blowback it puts on the businesses.  You’re asking business owners and employees to enforce it and then fine them when they don’t.  

 

 

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10 minutes ago, tailingpermit said:

New York is passing a vaccination mandate for dining in or using the gym, the only issue I have with that is the blowback it puts on the businesses.  You’re asking business owners and employees to enforce it and then fine them when they don’t.  

I'm just afraid we are on way to situation where these businesses have to close. Wouldnt they rather stay open and put pressure on their employees to provide a safe environment?

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2 minutes ago, Stealthlobo said:

I'm just afraid we are on way to situation where these businesses have to close. Wouldnt they rather stay open and put pressure on their employees to provide a safe environment?

I agree, but would also say that having business owners and employees enforce mandates creates unsafe environments.  

 

 

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32 minutes ago, tailingpermit said:

I agree, but would also say that having business owners and employees enforce mandates creates unsafe environments.  

I know it's more complex, but it's ez for me to look at it like going to another country or working in healthcare. You dont need to get the yellow fever or hep B vaccine, but then youre not allowed in that country or work that position. You ultimately have that decision, but then you limit what you can and cannot experience and do.

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3 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Yeah, but the fallacy in that whole line of thinking is equating the authority of a customs official or the intensity of a hiring process to that held by some kid getting paid 8 dollars an hour to be a greeter somewhere trying to explain to some angry irrational drunks why they can't come in because they don't have their vaccine card.

All it will lead to is more problems for not only the businesses themselves, but the workers too. There's some bars that require vaccines here now (and have for a couple weeks) and everytime I'm sitting out in front of one in particular, I see people get super shitty with the dude sitting at the front of the door.

If businesses want to opt for that sort of thing, that's totally fine, but I don't think such a practice should be mandated.

That's definitely a good point. Guess there really isn't a good way for any mandate. The push back with the masks were bad enough, I can definitely see push back against vaccinations even worse. Well just drop all mandates and let's just let mother nature take care of business herself.

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23 minutes ago, Joe from WY said:

Yeah, but the fallacy in that whole line of thinking is equating the authority of a customs official or the intensity of a hiring process to that held by some kid getting paid 8 dollars an hour to be a greeter somewhere trying to explain to some angry irrational drunks why they can't come in because they don't have their vaccine card.

All it will lead to is more problems for not only the businesses themselves, but the workers too. There's some bars that require vaccines here now (and have for a couple weeks) and everytime I'm sitting out in front of one in particular, I see people get super shitty with the dude sitting at the front of the door.

If businesses want to opt for that sort of thing, that's totally fine, but I don't think such a practice should be mandated.

It is a tough situation.  On Oahu they said they would allow restaurants fully reopen if they checked vaccination status at the door.  Almost none took them up on it and they stayed at 50% capacity to avoid the hassle and confrontations.  Add in they can't find help to serve any more people anyway.

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I worry far more about our Healthcare systems than the anti vaxers health. 

The fact is, decisions to not mask, to not distance, to not get the vax impact a whole bunch of other people. They fill up hospital beds stressing our Healthcare workers. They fill up beds so other people, heart attack, stroke, trauma etc have no beds when needed. I've worked Healthcare and understand the physical and emotional drain. It doesn't go away when you leave and it wears you down. 

That's selfish. It pisses me off. It's no longer a matter of personal choice or freedom. I'm tired of the restrictions because these asswipes only think of themselves (and I use the term think with great reservation). 

I know it's complicated and I don't have a good answer but I'm all for tough love and the stick rather than the carrot at this point. 

One of the Final Five..........

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Employers need to offer health insurance discounts or incentives to those who are vaccinated, some kind of wellness type incentive.

The longer hospitalization stays for those who are unvaccinated will increase health insurance costs for everyone. Those who are vaccinated should see some financial benefit for helping keep health insurance expenses lower.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-02/would-you-get-a-covid-shot-for-a-lower-health-bill

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BuT iT dOeSn'T hUrT yOuNg PeOpLe!!!

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"Getting the infection in your nose and getting the sniffles is a lot different than getting admitted to the hospital," he said. "Who we're seeing in the ICU are younger people who are not vaccinated. Let's be really clear -- 18-year-old people, people in their 20s and 30s, not vaccinated, who are now hooked up to machines."

On July 30 in North Carolina, 20 patients age 30 to 39 were admitted in hospitals with confirmed cases of COVID-19. That number was at 10 for the 20 to 29 age group.
 

https://abc11.com/10927917/

Go. Get. Your. Goddamned. Vaccinations. 

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4 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Maybe you should go out in the street and yell that. Most people on this board have been vaccinated. 

It was just a universal statement. I have antivaxxers in my own damned family that I've been fighting on this for like six months now. :(

 

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