grandjean87 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, renoskier said: Sorry jean, I'm not following what you're complaining about. Are you saying that the Idaho school districts are under reporting Covid numbers? Yes, in some cases. West Ada definitely. I also looked at Alpine, Utah’s dashboard — not plausible. We’ve known from the beginning the disconnect between cases and infections (no matter what setting) so you start from there and then realize schools just aren’t capable of accurate reporting in this situation. If we had mass, accurate weekly testing, but we don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 11/15/2020 at 8:30 AM, CPslograd said: That kind of data should be used for policy. My 10 year old has been back at school for a month and a half, full time, private school with max of15 kids per class. Zero Covid issues, other than the frustrating but understandable deal where you have to keep her home if she is having a bad allergy day. So why can't my 8thgrader go to school at the same school under the same conditions. Makes no sense. From everything we have seen its far more dangerous to work at a frozen burrito factory than go to school. Yet, the frozen burrito factory is open and schools are closed. Are you telling me a frozen burrito factory is more essential than school? Actually CP this make perfect sense. Many folks, @smltwnrckr was the most vocal, have been calling for some common sense when making decision regarding the trade offs between slowing the spread and keeping businesses open. For slowing the spread, it would probably be best if schools weren't open at all but this doesn't work because most of us want/need to get back to work. Elementary aged children cannot be left at home by themselves all day while mom and dad go to work, most middle and high school students can be left home alone. Also, generally, elementary children are much more compliant and will follow the various rules. Hormone addled middle/high schoolers, not so much. My 8th grader started this year 100% distance. Once we saw how things were going, we switched him to hybrid last month. Right now he is working away at the dining table, tomorrow he'll be in class. It's working out pretty well for him and has given us some good time together since he can play hooky as long as his work is done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, renoskier said: Actually CP this make perfect sense. Many folks, @smltwnrckr was the most vocal, have been calling for some common sense when making decision regarding the trade offs between slowing the spread and keeping businesses open. For slowing the spread, it would probably be best if schools weren't open at all but this doesn't work because most of us want/need to get back to work. Elementary aged children cannot be left at home by themselves all day while mom and dad go to work, most middle and high school students can be left home alone. Also, generally, elementary children are much more compliant and will follow the various rules. Hormone addled middle/high schoolers, not so much. My 8th grader started this year 100% distance. Once we saw how things were going, we switched him to hybrid last month. Right now he is working away at the dining table right, tomorrow he'll be in class. It's working out pretty well for him and has given us some good time together since he can play hooky as long as his work is done. Elementary schools need to be open and operating as near normal as possible (but, the younger ones can’t really follow that social distancing thing nor keep their masks on). Modified secondary scheduling seems to help, but that’s anecdotal. Glad hybrid is working for your son. I would say that with the vaccine light at the end of the tunnel situation, and a local/state/nation-wide spike, I think the Boise District’s decision to go online beginning with the Thanksgiving break until January makes some sense. I’d suggest that elementary staying in-person with a modified schedule would be better, and I hope West Ada goes that route (not expecting). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Re: Sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20201116/breaking-sweden-introduces-limit-of-eight-coronavirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Maji said: Re: Sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20201116/breaking-sweden-introduces-limit-of-eight-coronavirus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Maji said: Re: Sweden https://www.thelocal.se/20201116/breaking-sweden-introduces-limit-of-eight-coronavirus If Swede’s had households like we do, it would be more than ugly there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob said: There's always some reason that half of Sweden isn't dead right now despite them not violating human rights and seizing liberties. Things aren't going well in Sweden. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandjean87 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bob said: There's always some reason that half of Sweden isn't dead right now despite them not violating human rights and seizing liberties. Damn democratic socialists. They have more liberty than us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, renoskier said: Actually CP this make perfect sense. Many folks, @smltwnrckr was the most vocal, have been calling for some common sense when making decision regarding the trade offs between slowing the spread and keeping businesses open. For slowing the spread, it would probably be best if schools weren't open at all but this doesn't work because most of us want/need to get back to work. Elementary aged children cannot be left at home by themselves all day while mom and dad go to work, most middle and high school students can be left home alone. Also, generally, elementary children are much more compliant and will follow the various rules. Hormone addled middle/high schoolers, not so much. My 8th grader started this year 100% distance. Once we saw how things were going, we switched him to hybrid last month. Right now he is working away at the dining table, tomorrow he'll be in class. It's working out pretty well for him and has given us some good time together since he can play hooky as long as his work is done. Things got so toxic so quick at the national level in a way that filtered to the state and local levels that it really made it impossible to implement - hell, to even advocate for - a any sort of balanced approach in many occasions. I hope this round, with vaccines likely early next year and a little more data about what even constitutes "common sense" in this scenario, is better. We'll see. 2 Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, smltwnrckr said: Things got so toxic so quick at the national level in a way that filtered to the state and local levels that it really made it impossible to implement - hell, to even advocate for - a any sort of balanced approach in many occasions. I hope this round, with vaccines likely early next year and a little more data about what even constitutes "common sense" in this scenario, is better. We'll see. I, and the American electorate, blame Trump for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, Bob said: lol. having a minuscule death rate and a better economy than the rest of the Euro zone "isn't going well". ok Their death rate is much higher than regional countries and their economic hit from COVID-19 was roughly the same (vs region). They've placed new restrictions mandatory restrictions due to rising cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, grandjean87 said: Damn democratic socialists. They have more liberty than us! It's funny how the RW defends Sweden's (supposed) COVID-19 plan but refuses to acknowledge Sweden's policy in other areas. Since you love Sweden so much, do you also support their universal healthcare, @Bob? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_SD_Dude Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Bob said: lol. having a minuscule death rate and a better economy than the rest of the Euro zone "isn't going well". ok Excess death rate (your one-time favorite stat) is high. Quote Thay Haif Said: Quhat Say Thay? Lat Thame Say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Maji said: It's funny how the RW defends Sweden's (supposed) COVID-19 plan but refuses to acknowledge Sweden's policy in other areas. Since you love Sweden so much, do you also support their universal healthcare policy, @Bob? WE'RE NOT SWEDEN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maji Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 https://ourworldindata.org/covid-sweden-death-reporting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornontheblue Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob said: @bornontheblue What? You didn't find teachers pre-writing their obits hysterical and ridiculous? What about grocery store workers, mailmen, UPS guys, or one of the other millions of "essential" workers that didn't engage in such ridiculous behavior. My wife is a teacher, and has asthma so it is scary ok. My wife teaches in a rural school district, that is becoming more suburban every year. Her school has a lot of poorer kids who don't have the best family environment. School is the one thing that is reliable and steady for some of these kids,, where they feel they are well cared for and have some stability. Her School district is on an AB schedule so they kids are only physically present in the classroom 2 days a week. COVID has thrown some of these teenagers lives into chaos, by taking away the one safe dependable thing they had. This Pandemic cannot get over soon enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grandjean87 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Maji said: It's funny how the RW defends Sweden's (supposed) COVID-19 plan but refuses to acknowledge Sweden's policy in other areas. Since you love Sweden so much, do you also support their universal healthcare, @Bob? I'm looking forward to a Sweden trip. My sister and niece had a June trip planned, but of course that got cancelled. I wasn't going this year, but I'm now planning on joining in next summer or fall (or 2022). We have relatives there we have met and communicate with. The house my grandfather was born in --- 1882 -- is still standing. He died a few weeks before I was born, but my sister was his favorite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maji Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 If you break Sweden's new restrictions: "But in a dramatic U-turn on Monday, new restrictions will no longer be a recommendation but enshrined in law as part of Sweden’s Public Order Act, which means there will be harsh penalties. Lawbreakers could face up to six months in prison or fines." Something tells me you'd be complaining about that, @Bob https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sweden-stages-coronavirus-u-turn-banning-public-events-with-more-than-eight-people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...