Corona Virus - How bad is it going to be?

[I am Ram]

 

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Now the cure-all is another shutdown?  It’s perplexing.  The only thing that we can do at this point is take common sense measures - and it HAS TO be at the individual level - government can’t fix this.  Social distance, be smart about going out, who you’re socializing with, avoiding crowds, and wear masks.  Shutdowns aren’t needed.  Widespread common sense and caution is - doubly so if you’re high risk.  I hate to say it but this is what it is until a viable treatment and/or vaccine is in place.  Of course, I don’t share the view of a certain poster that everything is apocalyptic and going to kill us all.

What you are saying is those of us who can afford to do so take "common sense measures." Everybody else is +++++ed unfortunately. I had some junk hauled from my property the other day. The guys doing the work were huffing and puffing next to each other without adequate protection and then got into the small cabin of their truck together. Pretty sure they didn't choose to work that way. Also pretty sure they'd been fired on the spot if they had approached a customer the way they were working next to each other. 

I'm not entirely sure I understand how this is an issue that the government can't help solve about but individuals can. Overwhelming evidence from the US and from our "peer" countries suggests that's not true.

Edit: I do agree that it's everybody's responsibility to protect themselves. But government needs to provide the appropriate policies and infrastructure so people can actually do so.

[I am Ram]

1 hour ago, soupslam1 said:

I called it earlier in this thread. Fauci now recommends goggles and face shields. Will hazmat suits be next? 

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"You have mucosa in the nose, mucosa in the mouth, but you also have mucosa in the eye," he continued. "Theoretically, you should protect all the mucosal surfaces. So if you have goggles or an eye shield you should use it."

He noted that goggles and eye or face shields are "not universally recommended" at this time, "but if you really want to be complete, you should probably use it if you can."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-fauci-wear-goggles-eye-shields-prevent-spread/story?id=72059055

[soupslam1]

Testing results are interesting. We’ve done 57 million tests with 4.7 million being positive. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

 

[NorCalCoug]

1 hour ago, I am Ram said:

 

What you are saying is those of us who can afford to do so take "common sense measures." Everybody else is +++++ed unfortunately. I had some junk hauled from my property the other day. The guys doing the work were huffing and puffing next to each other without adequate protection and then got into the small cabin of their truck together. Pretty sure they didn't choose to work that way. Also pretty sure they'd been fired on the spot if they had approached a customer the way they were working next to each other. 

I'm not entirely sure I understand how this is an issue that the government can't help solve about but individuals can. Overwhelming evidence from the US and from our "peer" countries suggests that's not true.

Edit: I do agree that it's everybody's responsibility to protect themselves. But government needs to provide the appropriate policies and infrastructure so people can actually do so.

You make a lot of assumptions in this emotion based rebuttal.  Another lockdown is not an appropriate response to Covid at this point.  People need to be more cautious.  Even in your example there are measures that could have been taken to mitigate risk. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

1 hour ago, I am Ram said:

 

What you are saying is those of us who can afford to do so take "common sense measures." Everybody else is +++++ed unfortunately. I had some junk hauled from my property the other day. The guys doing the work were huffing and puffing next to each other without adequate protection and then got into the small cabin of their truck together. Pretty sure they didn't choose to work that way. Also pretty sure they'd been fired on the spot if they had approached a customer the way they were working next to each other. 

I'm not entirely sure I understand how this is an issue that the government can't help solve about but individuals can. Overwhelming evidence from the US and from our "peer" countries suggests that's not true.

Edit: I do agree that it's everybody's responsibility to protect themselves. But government needs to provide the appropriate policies and infrastructure so people can actually do so.

You hired these guys to haul junk away. Did they need to be huffing and puffing, then getting into the small cabin of the truck? Could you not have done it yourself? 

[NorCalCoug]

Just now, thelawlorfaithful said:

You hired these guys to haul junk away. Did they need to be huffing and puffing, then getting into the small cabin of the truck? Could you not have done it yourself? 

Heartless!!!!

[mysfit]

2 hours ago, tspoke said:

 

I agree that we won't do this again but it probably would work a lot better now that we ah e increased testing capabilities in place.... Shut everything down and encourage massive testing. Would go a long ways to sniffing this out. But we won't do it again. 

Would have been nice if like other countries we had adequate testing the first time we shut down (not really shut down) 

Then we will continue to struggle. Cases will increase, deaths will increase and Healthcare will be crushed. The economy will crater. You have no economy while this is out of control.

 

Bite the bullet and then move on. A 2 week shutdown gives the virus no chance for transmission. What we are doing now will continue to deteriorate.

Rationalize all you want, but those are the 2 choices. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

3 minutes ago, mysfit said:

Then we will continue to struggle. Cases will increase, deaths will increase and Healthcare will be crushed. The economy will crater. You have no economy while this is out of control.

 

Bite the bullet and then move on. A 2 week shutdown gives the virus no chance for transmission. What we are doing now will continue to deteriorate.

Rationalize all you want, but those are the 2 choices. 

We already did shut down. It won’t be any different the next time unless you want the police and the military enforcing the order.

[tspoke]

3 minutes ago, mysfit said:

Then we will continue to struggle. Cases will increase, deaths will increase and Healthcare will be crushed. The economy will crater. You have no economy while this is out of control.

 

Bite the bullet and then move on. A 2 week shutdown gives the virus no chance for transmission. What we are doing now will continue to deteriorate.

Rationalize all you want, but those are the 2 choices. 

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying politically it won't happen on a national scale. Got too many people like the others who replied to you saying we already tried this and it didn't work.

[NorCalCoug]

6 minutes ago, mysfit said:

Then we will continue to struggle. Cases will increase, deaths will increase and Healthcare will be crushed. The economy will crater. You have no economy while this is out of control.

 

Bite the bullet and then move on. A 2 week shutdown gives the virus no chance for transmission. What we are doing now will continue to deteriorate.

Rationalize all you want, but those are the 2 choices. 

Outside of a few hotspots the healthcare system hasn’t been overburdened.  Another shutdown is not happening.  It’s not realistic.

[mysfit]

Not sure if anyone else has posted about having COVID-19

 

I had a brief conversation with my neighbor (from a distance), unbeknownst to us she had COVID. A week later I was sick with GI issues, dry cough, headache, fatigue. That was 6 weeks ago. I'm still feeling like crap, occasional chest tightness and shortness of breath. No I haven't gotten tested, too late at this point. I'm not going out and am isolating. The symptoms and duration suggest COVID19 on light of the exposure.

 

I consider myself lucky at this point it hasn't been worse. I hope I'm near the end of this. And yes if symptoms get worse I'll haul my ass onto a Dr. It's no fun but cross my fingers I got a mild case.

[Los_Aztecas]

Just now, mysfit said:

Not sure if anyone else has posted about having COVID-19

 

I had a brief conversation with my neighbor (from a distance), unbeknownst to us she had COVID. A week later I was sick with GI issues, dry cough, headache, fatigue. That was 6 weeks ago. I'm still feeling like crap, occasional chest tightness and shortness of breath. No I haven't gotten tested, too late at this point. I'm not going out and am isolating. The symptoms and duration suggest COVID19 on light of the exposure.

 

I consider myself lucky at this point it hasn't been worse. I hope I'm near the end of this. And yes if symptoms get worse I'll haul my ass onto a Dr. It's no fun but cross my fingers I got a mild case.

Be safe and stay away from the fish tank cleaner.

[NMpackalum]

8 minutes ago, mysfit said:

Then we will continue to struggle. Cases will increase, deaths will increase and Healthcare will be crushed. The economy will crater. You have no economy while this is out of control.

 

Bite the bullet and then move on. A 2 week shutdown gives the virus no chance for transmission. What we are doing now will continue to deteriorate.

Rationalize all you want, but those are the 2 choices. 

I'm not sure that is correct. There are many countries with draconian lockdowns that have had recurrences.

[NorCalCoug]

1 minute ago, mysfit said:

Not sure if anyone else has posted about having COVID-19

 

I had a brief conversation with my neighbor (from a distance), unbeknownst to us she had COVID. A week later I was sick with GI issues, dry cough, headache, fatigue. That was 6 weeks ago. I'm still feeling like crap, occasional chest tightness and shortness of breath. No I haven't gotten tested, too late at this point. I'm not going out and am isolating. The symptoms and duration suggest COVID19 on light of the exposure.

 

I consider myself lucky at this point it hasn't been worse. I hope I'm near the end of this. And yes if symptoms get worse I'll haul my ass onto a Dr. It's no fun but cross my fingers I got a mild case.

You should get the antibody test to confirm - I would think it would be liberating to know if you did indeed have it, especially since you have some risk factors at play.

[mysfit]

9 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

We already did shut down. It won’t be any different the next time unless you want the police and the military enforcing the order.

we did the shut down. It worked, it brought the curve down.

Then we opened stupidly without meeting the requirements (,which are needed to keep the curve down) and didn't do the testing and tracing.

We did not close all the businesses that should have closed. I'm not going to get into enforcing. Strong leadership would go a long way.

 

There are 2 choices. Fix it with a shutdown, or continue to struggle with rising body counts and a catered economy.

2 choices. That's it.

[mysfit]

2 minutes ago, Los_Aztecas said:

Be safe and stay away from the fish tank cleaner.

bwahahsaa thank you. You made me laugh until I coughed.

[Del Scorcho]

5 minutes ago, mysfit said:

Not sure if anyone else has posted about having COVID-19

 

I had a brief conversation with my neighbor (from a distance), unbeknownst to us she had COVID. A week later I was sick with GI issues, dry cough, headache, fatigue. That was 6 weeks ago. I'm still feeling like crap, occasional chest tightness and shortness of breath. No I haven't gotten tested, too late at this point. I'm not going out and am isolating. The symptoms and duration suggest COVID19 on light of the exposure.

 

I consider myself lucky at this point it hasn't been worse. I hope I'm near the end of this. And yes if symptoms get worse I'll haul my ass onto a Dr. It's no fun but cross my fingers I got a mild case.

hope your health improves mysfit 

 

[mysfit]

13 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

Outside of a few hotspots the healthcare system hasn’t been overburdened.  Another shutdown is not happening.  It’s not realistic.

then we continue to struggle and the economy continues to tank.

Healthcare in a number of areas would disagree about not bring overburdened. The Boise area will be in serious trouble within a couple weeks if nothing changes. Per interview this am. I am sure a large number of areas are in the same shape.

[mysfit]

5 minutes ago, NorCalCoug said:

You should get the antibody test to confirm - I would think it would be liberating to know if you did indeed have it, especially since you have some risk factors at play.

antibody test has a horrendous false negative rate. A nurse locally kept testing neg on both tests. Her Dr did a lung MRI and confirmed she had COVID.

 

If I go to a Dr I'll get tested but I see no reason at this point to make a special trip.