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29 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

The thing is, who is arguing that masks protect against everything? I haven't seen this at all. It seems to be a complete straw man set up by anti-maskers to make the argument that if masks can't stop everything then you might as well do nothing. 

Not all masks are created equal. My nurse made about a hundred cloth masks for the office and hospital staff/patient husbands. 2 ply cotton. I breath fine through them and I couldn't blow out a match if it was 3 inches away. Other peoples masks you can see through and of course, I've seen plenty of people who don't cover their noses and wear them loosely. There's a nice graphic around showing the effectiveness of proper cloth masks worn approprately showing oral expectoration less than 6 inches, no masks more than 6 feet and bandanas were not particularly effective at over 3 feet. Oh yeah, masks with valves are worthless.

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2 minutes ago, Bob said:

Masks should be protecting the Japanese. What is going on?

https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1287792545561546752?s=20

My goodness, they may actually crack the top 150 countries in cases per million residents at this rate. 

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53 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

The thing is, who is arguing that masks protect against everything? I haven't seen this at all. It seems to be a complete straw man set up by anti-maskers to make the argument that if masks can't stop everything then you might as well do nothing. 

I agree. I haven't seen any either, but I put that just in case they are out there. I feel like a broken record, but the thing is that even if they are offering just a small benefit, that benefit will help decrease mortality/morbidity for such a small inconvenience.

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8 minutes ago, Stealthlobo said:

I agree. I haven't seen any either, but I put that just in case they are out there. I feel like a broken record, but the thing is that even if they are offering just a small benefit, that benefit will help decrease mortality/morbidity for such a small inconvenience.

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. 

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15 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said:

laziest analysis ever

"country that is known for wearing masks has rising numbers of confirmed cases therefore masks won't save us"

And right on cue...

10 minutes ago, Bob said:

Why aren't masks protecting the residents of Shelby County, Tennessee? Shelby County is the only county in TN with a mask mandate. Mask mandate went into effect 5 weeks ago.

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hey @Bob, and anyone else who is looking at his posts and going "hey he's got a point!!!" here's how it works:

not all masks are created equally.  not all masks are worn at all, let alone worn correctly.  under the best circumstances, they help.  but they're not impenetrable.  but seeing as how without them it's definitely worse, let's see if we can help ourselves out by wearing masks.  if people won't voluntarily do this, then we need to mandate them.  we can debate the efficacy of a govt mandate in another conversation but the scientific thinking goes like this:

covid-19 spreads in many ways.  one way it spreads is transmission of water droplets from our mouths and noses.  effective mask construction and wearing protects the wearer from both spreading water droplets as well as receiving water droplets from coughs, breathing, talking, etc...  they can even help us refrain from touching a surface that has water droplets and then touching our own eyes, nose, mouth, etc to give the water droplets a way into the body.  so let's keep apart and wear a maks, all to keep the physical transmission of the virus at literal arm's length.

that's it.  there's no magic.  there's just a "oh hey this stuff spreads pretty easy, lots of people get it, how can we stop it with minimal effort?  a mask?  ok, let's do it."

so if you see numbers going up that means one of a few things

1. the virus is transmitted in ways a mask can't prevent or be an effective measure against

2. people aren't wearing them at all

3. people aren't wearing them effectively

4. people are not social distancing

japan has 125 MM people.  if only 1% of the population doesn't wear a mask or doesn't wear it properly, you still have 1.25MM people going out and about w/o masks.

i really don't think 4000 cases, or even 10000 cases, is an indictment against japan's mask wearing traditions and practices until we can establish how it spreads.  is it happening in tokyo where the concentration of people is sky high?  is it happening in rural areas?  a mix of both?  what were the social distancing practices of the people who got infected?

there's too much to dig through before we can say "see?  masks are ineffective."

don't be lazy, @Bob

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39 minutes ago, AndroidAggie said:

hey @Bob, and anyone else who is looking at his posts and going "hey he's got a point!!!" here's how it works:

not all masks are created equally.  not all masks are worn at all, let alone worn correctly.  under the best circumstances, they help.  but they're not impenetrable.  but seeing as how without them it's definitely worse, let's see if we can help ourselves out by wearing masks.  if people won't voluntarily do this, then we need to mandate them.  we can debate the efficacy of a govt mandate in another conversation but the scientific thinking goes like this:

covid-19 spreads in many ways.  one way it spreads is transmission of water droplets from our mouths and noses.  effective mask construction and wearing protects the wearer from both spreading water droplets as well as receiving water droplets from coughs, breathing, talking, etc...  they can even help us refrain from touching a surface that has water droplets and then touching our own eyes, nose, mouth, etc to give the water droplets a way into the body.  so let's keep apart and wear a maks, all to keep the physical transmission of the virus at literal arm's length.

that's it.  there's no magic.  there's just a "oh hey this stuff spreads pretty easy, lots of people get it, how can we stop it with minimal effort?  a mask?  ok, let's do it."

so if you see numbers going up that means one of a few things

1. the virus is transmitted in ways a mask can't prevent or be an effective measure against

2. people aren't wearing them at all

3. people aren't wearing them effectively

4. people are not social distancing

japan has 125 MM people.  if only 1% of the population doesn't wear a mask or doesn't wear it properly, you still have 1.25MM people going out and about w/o masks.

i really don't think 4000 cases, or even 10000 cases, is an indictment against japan's mask wearing traditions and practices until we can establish how it spreads.  is it happening in tokyo where the concentration of people is sky high?  is it happening in rural areas?  a mix of both?  what were the social distancing practices of the people who got infected?

there's too much to dig through before we can say "see?  masks are ineffective."

don't be lazy, @Bob

4 should be 1, 1 should be 3.

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15 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

You do realize the virus can enter through your eyes so why aren’t the pro mask people also wearing goggles? 

You do realize we see these same dumb ass talking points all over social media, right? The level of discourse here is miles ahead of what we see on Facebook, Reddit, comments sections and the like. Let’s keep it that way.

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12 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

You do realize the virus can enter through your eyes so why aren’t the pro mask people also wearing goggles? 

I have seen people do so.  Your flaw in argument is what is "pro mask people"?  I doubt there are many that just love to wear them.  Most of us just do the bare minimum that reduces the chance that if I had it, I would pass it to someone else.  For most Americans, wearing a mask is physically a nothing burger, and mentally about the same.  It's mostly only a problem to people who were told it was a freedom problem and they fell for it.  

Wearing goggles or face shields is more cumbersome and the main purpose to wear one isn't even the same as the mask in the first place.

 

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3 minutes ago, Del Scorcho said:

I see you've changed the channel from OAN to National Geographic

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That's the source of del scorcho sauce, which is in fact the best fast food hot sauce. ;)

 

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