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41 minutes ago, Bob said:

 

 

 

bob just look stuff up yourself for once. The average flu deaths in the last 9 years was about 37k. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

I've used literally that same link to disprove your claims before, you'd think that you would, like, get a little bit savvy at some point

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Sweden will be interesting to look at a year or two from now.  They kind of offer a "control" group to measure against most of the other Western responses.  Obviously there are differences, but if they continue to hold firm it will offer us some insight.  It will take at least a year to see how it plays out.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sweden-says-controversial-virus-strategy-proving-effective/ar-BB12TP18?li=AAggFp4

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44 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

Sweden will be interesting to look at a year or two from now.  They kind of offer a "control" group to measure against most of the other Western responses.  Obviously there are differences, but if they continue to hold firm it will offer us some insight.  It will take at least a year to see how it plays out.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/sweden-says-controversial-virus-strategy-proving-effective/ar-BB12TP18?li=AAggFp4

I think one of the differences is Swedes trust each other and their government. They’ll voluntarily socially distance so the government won’t need to enact crazy lockdowns. 

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27 minutes ago, mugtang said:

I think one of the differences is Swedes trust each other and their government. They’ll voluntarily socially distance so the government won’t need to enact crazy lockdowns. 

And profits are far less important to the broadcast media in Sweden than is the case here. https://sweden.se/society/10-features-of-democracy-in-sweden/

Want profits? Get ratings. Want ratings? Don't simply report hard facts; instead, sensationalize and cherry pick them.

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2 hours ago, Bob said:

This article states that disruptions to cancer treatments could likely cause more deaths than corona virus itself. This lock down nonsense is getting more ridiculous and destructive by the day

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1268059/cancer-deaths-coronavirus-nhs

On the other hand, Sweden just declared the high-risk groups (who are supposed to stay home) include "Cancer, or ongoing or recently concluded treatment for cancer".

https://www.thelocal.se/20200420/risk-groups-for-coronavirus-in-sweden-obesity-diabetes-heart-lung

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5 minutes ago, FresnoFacts said:

On the other hand, Sweden just declared the high-risk groups (who are supposed to stay home) include "Cancer, or ongoing or recently concluded treatment for cancer".

https://www.thelocal.se/20200420/risk-groups-for-coronavirus-in-sweden-obesity-diabetes-heart-lung

That doesn't really negate his point.  Of course they are high risk.  That doesn't change the impact of reducing cancer screenings and treatments.

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2 hours ago, CPslograd said:

Why are boutiques and shoe stores closed but ice cream parlors open?

 

2 hours ago, CPslograd said:

Why are tobacco shops open but GameStop closed?  (don't get me wrong, I'm glad the tobacco shop is open)

Ask Kafka. He probably knows. 

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45 minutes ago, SleepingGiantFan said:

And profits are far less important to the broadcast media in Sweden than is the case here. https://sweden.se/society/10-features-of-democracy-in-sweden/

Want profits? Get ratings. Want ratings? Don't simply report hard facts; instead, sensationalize and cherry pick them.

I have just stopped tuning them in.  They keep exclaiming how quickly this story is moving.  It isn't.  Tune out for a couple of days.  When you tune back in, you realize they are talking about the same stuff, just with a different expert.  I am not sure we can 100% trust them to go against their best interest when peddling a pandemic crisis is so good for their ratings.  I have not tracked the numbers in Utah for a few days.  On Saturday, we had under 30 deaths with nearly 3,500 confirmed cases.  That is a death rate under the flu.....at least in Utah.

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1 hour ago, BYUcougfan said:

I have just stopped tuning them in.  They keep exclaiming how quickly this story is moving.  It isn't.  Tune out for a couple of days.  When you tune back in, you realize they are talking about the same stuff, just with a different expert.  I am not sure we can 100% trust them to go against their best interest when peddling a pandemic crisis is so good for their ratings.  I have not tracked the numbers in Utah for a few days.  On Saturday, we had under 30 deaths with nearly 3,500 confirmed cases.  That is a death rate under the flu.....at least in Utah.

I’m LDS and I guess President Nelson is sensationalizing this too, right?  Two world wide fasts in less than a month, Suspending temple, church and general conference attendance.  If only he watched a different cable news network he could be just as callous.

SMH - US deaths doubled again in one week, were now about 15 times as many deaths as 9/11 and you clowns are focused on how the media is making too big a deal about this.

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2 hours ago, CPslograd said:

That doesn't really negate his point.  Of course they are high risk.  That doesn't change the impact of reducing cancer screenings and treatments.

You are saying they should leave the house to get screenings and treatments?

Either way there is a concern.

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5 minutes ago, FresnoFacts said:

You are saying they should leave the house to get screenings and treatments?

Either way there is a concern.

Of course they should.  And I'm sure they are in some cases.  I can't believe they've just put a halt to everyone doing outpatient chemo therapy.  It's just a matter of access being greatly reduced.

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16 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

Of course they should.  And I'm sure they are in some cases.  I can't believe they've just put a halt to everyone doing outpatient chemo therapy.  It's just a matter of access being greatly reduced.

Not everyone, but yes there are halts/delays on chemo, radiation and other cancer treatments due to the virus risk. I have heard of some personally.

The American Cancer Society just released a survey that said about 25% of cancer patients currently in active treatment have now had it delayed.

That survey number is separate from post-treatment patients who have had followup visits or imaging delayed.

 

 

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3 hours ago, BYUcougfan said:

I have just stopped tuning them in.  They keep exclaiming how quickly this story is moving.  It isn't.  Tune out for a couple of days.  When you tune back in, you realize they are talking about the same stuff, just with a different expert.  I am not sure we can 100% trust them to go against their best interest when peddling a pandemic crisis is so good for their ratings.  I have not tracked the numbers in Utah for a few days.  On Saturday, we had under 30 deaths with nearly 3,500 confirmed cases.  That is a death rate under the flu.....at least in Utah.

 

1 hour ago, Del Scorcho said:

I’m LDS and I guess President Nelson is sensationalizing this too, right?  Two world wide fasts in less than a month, Suspending temple, church and general conference attendance.  If only he watched a different cable news network he could be just as callous.

SMH - US deaths doubled again in one week, were now about 15 times as many deaths as 9/11 and you clowns are focused on how the media is making too big a deal about this.

I am curious what I said that was not correct.  The media cover this on the 24 hour news cycle.  Things are not developing that quickly.  I quoted the numbers in Utah.  Are we now not allowed to actually quote the numbers without offending?  Did I say end the lockdown tomorrow?  Relax Karen.

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15 hours ago, happycamper said:

bob just look stuff up yourself for once. The average flu deaths in the last 9 years was about 37k. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

I've used literally that same link to disprove your claims before, you'd think that you would, like, get a little bit savvy at some point

The point is that it's not inconceivable that 60k could die in a year from flu and no one would bat a +++++ing eye, yet we stop the world for this. You didn't disprove anything. This blue checkmark guy makes a lot of other valid points, too.

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8 minutes ago, Bob said:

The point is that it's not inconceivable that 60k could die in a year from flu and no one would bat a +++++ing eye, yet we stop the world for this. You didn't disprove anything. This blue checkmark guy makes a lot of other valid points, too.

jfc.

Bob's criteria for corona:

"a dude who got verified on twitter said a thing and also at one discrete point in time only tens of thousands have died from corona so that's the only thing that will ever happen"

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While I am firmly in the boat of economists needing to have a say in the sheltering/non-sheltering, it is peculiar how so many people scoff at what the majority of science and medicine are saying?  Case and point, the protests (which I am fine with) with few masks on, and (understandably) no distancing.  Old people there too.  I would have said "well they just don't believe it", but many said they do think there is a threat and understand that the virus is real.  At least protect yourself, right?

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Influenza infects tens of millions of people each year to get to its casualty numbers (37K each year on avg the last 9 years).  Coronavirus has infected right around 800K (admittedly much higher, but there are a lot of asymptomatic cases of the flu too that go undiagnosed and/or undetected) and killed 42K over a 6-week span.  Think about that for a second.

I’m all for re-opening ASAP.  The status quo is not sustainable, but re-opening has to be done responsibly.  

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I'm in a hotspot town that won't open anytime soon but there are large portions of NM that haven't had a case of Covid in more than 2 weeks and no evidence of community spread. There really isn't any reason not to open those counties with precautions rather than have mass layoffs and bankruptcies that will likely be permanent.

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