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Corona Virus - How bad is it going to be?

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8 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said:

Maybe I’m just looking at too many doomsday type headlines scrolling Facebook, but it seems like while the virus will slowly die out the financial problems haven’t started yet. People have money now. Next month they won’t. That government check only delays the inevitable for a few weeks maybe.

Yeah, we’re in deep shit

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32 minutes ago, IanforHeisman said:

Maybe I’m just looking at too many doomsday type headlines scrolling Facebook, but it seems like while the virus will slowly die out the financial problems haven’t started yet. People have money now. Next month they won’t. That government check only delays the inevitable for a few weeks maybe.

Yep we’re pretty phucked. 

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31 minutes ago, sean327 said:

The recovery could take a decade. Life as we knew it is over for the next few years.

Agreed.  The damage is done. 

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9/11 was a totally different situation, but the America we knew before that moment died too. Not the same place at all. I think this event will do the same. 
 

Like you go outside and everything still looks the same, but the way everything works isn’t the same and never will be. 

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5 hours ago, Headbutt said:

I too was a student during the 55 gas rationing.  I didn't have near that car, but I got my '71 Mercury Montego over 100 once.  Talk about a piece of shit car.  Man, I would have loved to light up your Grand Am on the highway.

Was your 71 prior to smog pumps? About 72 or so, those things choked the horsepower way down. 

The Grand Am was my 2nd car.  My first was a 67 Le Man's, 326 ci V8, 2 bbl, Powerglide trans (2 speed) with high ratio.  1st gear would take you to 75 mph.  Better gas mileage, 20 mpg on highway.  Points and Condenser, constantly needing tune-up.  At least the 74 Grand Am had the Delco Remy HEI Ignition. I took that over 100 once.  Since then, no death wish for me.  Thank God, those cars handled like shit.  

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Utah’s Intermountain Healthcare sending 100 healthcare workers (doctors, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, nurses, respiratory therapists and other caregivers) to help out in NYC...   pretty cool.  Good on ya Utah!

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17 hours ago, Headbutt said:

I too was a student during the 55 gas rationing.  I didn't have near that car, but I got my '71 Mercury Montego over 100 once.  Talk about a piece of shit car.  Man, I would have loved to light up your Grand Am on the highway.

Here was MY POS: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&p=ford+pinto+1973+commercial#id=3&vid=0b80aa46e8a0e57d2fad0813aa5118f2&action=view

Except mine had none of the add-ons. Not a single one. No sun roof, no rear window defroster, not even a tape player or FM radio. Bought it from my dad after he drove it a couple years and became disgusted with the manual transmission. One winter the heater stopped working and I had no money to fix it. Dad rode with me to the market and froze his ass off even though by then I had moved from the Bay Area to SD. Dad told me that if I'd take the POS to the shop immediately and have the heater fixed he would pay for it. I did and he did but I'm not sure he ever rode in the thing again anyway.

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Figured since I gave a bad update a day ago I may as well keep you all posted. All residents in my wife’s facility have been tested, other then the original positive (who died shortly after), one other resident tested positive and is asymptomatic. They tested 20 staff and have gotten 4 positives, including the woman my wife shares an office with, though she hasn’t worked with her since Monday. Because of that every other employee (wife included) has been tested, results expected Monday. My wife is still working tonight, but with full PPE. 

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17 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said:

Yeah, we’re in deep shit

How bad still depends on events though.  Of course if Corona virus does a slow roll through the entire country and tears each city up like NYC, it is going to be a depression.  If it doesn't, then maybe the ballsy guys who bought into the stock market last week get proven correct.

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1 hour ago, CPslograd said:

How bad still depends on events though.  Of course if Corona virus does a slow roll through the entire country and tears each city up like NYC, it is going to be a depression.  If it doesn't, then maybe the ballsy guys who bought into the stock market last week get proven correct.

 

Guessing somewhere in-between.  Remember Seattle was first and and they did not get torn up like New York.  Most states are flattening and in slow decline of new cases.  Trick will be how to come back to life.  That will dictate the depression versus recession.

 

my crystal ball says that Schools, Bars, restaurants, events etc stay down longer but most stores and businesses begin to reopen with guidelines about number in the store and spacing.

Thinking a deep recession like 2008 but not a depression.  However, this event shows us the problems with the growing income divide in the US, how our healthcare system is paid for, and how the hell do we deal with all this debt.

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7 hours ago, SleepingGiantFan said:

Here was MY POS: https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-sz-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=sz&p=ford+pinto+1973+commercial#id=3&vid=0b80aa46e8a0e57d2fad0813aa5118f2&action=view

Except mine had none of the add-ons. Not a single one. No sun roof, no rear window defroster, not even a tape player or FM radio. Bought it from my dad after he drove it a couple years and became disgusted with the manual transmission. One winter the heater stopped working and I had no money to fix it. Dad rode with me to the market and froze his ass off even though by then I had moved from the Bay Area to SD. Dad told me that if I'd take the POS to the shop immediately and have the heater fixed he would pay for it. I did and he did but I'm not sure he ever rode in the thing again anyway.

Pintos were pieces of shit. lol. We had one of these growing up

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1984 Nissan 300ZX. Badass car

 

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What the shit?

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During one task force meeting in the Situation Room last month, Trump turned to Fauci and challenged him.

It was the day the administration was adding Ireland and the United Kingdom to its travel restrictions, and Trump wanted to understand why talk of “herd immunity” — allowing the coronavirus to sweep a nation largely unchecked, with the belief that those who survived would then be immune — was such a bad idea.

“Why don’t we let this wash over the country?” Trump asked, according to two people familiar with his comments, a question other administration officials say he has raised repeatedly in the Oval Office.

Fauci initially seemed confused by the term “wash over” but became alarmed once he understood what Trump was asking.

“Mr. President, many people would die,” Fauci said.

The president said he understood but since then has repeatedly made clear he wants to reopen things soon — although significant roadblocks remain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-task-forces-coronavirus-pandemic/2020/04/11/5cc5a30c-7a77-11ea-a130-df573469f094_story.html

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1 minute ago, retrofade said:

He absolutely should have been asking that question.  Other countries leaders were asking the same question and had various responses at that time.

The conventional wisdom on a pandemic flu (which this is very similar to) was that once it is widespread, it can't be contained.  The fact that Trump asked a valid question, then went with what his advisors recommended, isn't an outrage.

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21 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

 

He absolutely should have been asking that question.  Other countries leaders were asking the same question and had various responses at that time.

The conventional wisdom on a pandemic flu (which this is very similar to) was that once it is widespread, it can't be contained.  The fact that Trump asked a valid question, then went with what his advisors recommended, isn't an outrage.

I agree. Do nothing/status quo should be part of an alternative analysis for any decision. Analysts and project managers use it.

If the do nothing alternative had not been mentioned then Trump should ask. He should receive the cost/benefit comparison of that vs other choices.

 

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20 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

 

He absolutely should have been asking that question.  Other countries leaders were asking the same question and had various responses at that time.

The conventional wisdom on a pandemic flu (which this is very similar to) was that once it is widespread, it can't be contained.  The fact that Trump asked a valid question, then went with what his advisors recommended, isn't an outrage.

It was a very legitimate question.  Clearly the fastest (albeit least humane) way out of this is to just let it run it's course, bury the dead, and move on with an immune population.  Obviously that's not a good option, but part of the decision making process has to include a comparison between letting natural herd immunity occur and delaying it with these draconian measures.  Obviously a compassionate society will strive for the option with the least deaths, but not putting everything on the table is a disservice to the public as a whole. Recent studies indicate that we may need to start leaning a little more towards the herd immunity thing, although I don't see a complete departure from the precautions being pushed by the CDC.

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1 hour ago, FresnoFacts said:

I agree. Do nothing/status quo should be part of an alternative analysis for any decision. Analysts and project managers use it.

If the do nothing alternative had not been mentioned then Trump should ask. He should receive the cost/benefit comparison of that vs other choices.

 

Any time you’re faced with a tough decision, the do nothing alternative should always be on the table, and sometimes that can be the best option. I’m not saying it is in this case, but it’s an option. 

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