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34 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said:

Sweet, I LOVE slippery slope arguments.

Um, I didn't make one of those. 

Edit: to the funny face, please explain how my argument is a slippery slope argument... it's not. Categorically.

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3 hours ago, mugtang said:

I mean honestly we can’t stay shut down like this for months.  We will destroy 10s of millions of lives and our economy in the process. And as I’ve said earlier, that could lead to far more death and destruction than this virus could produce.  If we can isolate those that are sick and if we can develop an even better testing apparatus then it shouldn’t be an issue.  

Yep, read an article about the disease spreading in clusters. Families etc.   If you can test soon enough you get people out of the house into someplace safe 

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28 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Cool. Wait and see. Then wait and see some more. Wait and see to wait and see for 6 months? Then wait and see some more? That appears to be the strategy for the foreseeable future. Not only is that unacceptable, but it is unsustainable. People will stop locking themselves in their houses eventually, whether the governors or trump or doctors or old people want them to or not. Then the state has a choice to make re: enforcement. 

Yes it is early. But the thing that is alarming to me is that there seems to be very little public reckoning with the fact that a national moratorium On going outside has a hard expiration date. 

Testing changes this equation but we have to get readily available tests.

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Just now, mugtang said:

I’m going to withhold comment. 

I'm not blaming the death of this man on Trump at all. What I am saying is that he shouldn't be up there talking about this shit and acting as though he's an expert on such things. Let the medical professionals do their jobs. Nobody should randomly just take things without consulting a physician, but people are also scared right now so I can almost understand why they'd decide to do something so downright stupid. 

 

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2 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Wtf.....  I hope this shit isn’t real... someone is trying a scam I hope.  

It's unfortunately legitimate.

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"A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate," one of the anti-malaria drugs that President Trump has mentioned in recent days, according to Banner Health, the hospital system that treated both patients.

https://www.axios.com/chloroquine-coronavirus-death-09c91a91-4fe7-472c-9de9-79b890aa8fff.html

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5 minutes ago, retrofade said:

I'm not blaming the death of this man on Trump at all. What I am saying is that he shouldn't be up there talking about this shit and acting as though he's an expert on such things. Let the medical professionals do their jobs. Nobody should randomly just take things without consulting a physician, but people are also scared right now so I can almost understand why they'd decide to do something so downright stupid. 

 

People also should consume...checks last tweet (posted 2 hours after the original tweet)...a chemicals used to treat parasites in fish. So they consumed fish tank cleaner :facepalm:  

 

As for the Trump thing, yeah I wish he wouldn’t have done that, but Gov Cuomo has mentioned he was excited by the prospect of those drugs as well. 

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Just now, mugtang said:

People also should consume...checks last tweet...a chemicals used to treat parasites in fish. So they consumed fish tank cleaner :facepalm:  

 

As for the Trump thing, yeah I wish he wouldn’t have done that, but Gov Cuomo has mentioned he was excited by the prospect of those drugs as well. 

Yep, it was Darwin award level idiocy on their part. Mind you, had they actually mixed and diluted it properly to a therapeutic dose, they might have lived. I'd have to defer to one of our resident medical professionals on that though.

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33 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Not by staying in their rooms for 6 months. I promise you that.

some will still isolate.  They will not freely spend $$, for a long time, schools wont reopen or be 2/3’s empty.  there is no instant turnaround.  better to knock it out quickly then the death of a thousand small cuts  We only come back with a comprehensive testing program.  Tests you get on demand with no doc.  I think there also has to be some kind if treatment becoming available that takes the load off the hospitals.

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5 minutes ago, retrofade said:

Yep, it was Darwin award level idiocy on their part. Mind you, had they actually mixed and diluted it properly to a therapeutic dose, they might have lived. I'd have to defer to one of our resident medical professionals on that though.

So can we agree that it was a irresponsible for Trump to tout it as a possible cure but also irresponsible for the media to blame other people’s stupidity on Trump?

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1 hour ago, Los_Aztecas said:

So what they actually mean is 'We are going to use this opportunity to get rid of a ton of salary and increase our profits, sorry Floe the flight attendant and Bill the pilot. Trump, where is our 50 bill ?' 

Making the case for a bailout. Like after 9/11.

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5 minutes ago, Billings said:

some will still isolate.  They will not freely spend $$, for a long time, schools wont reopen or be 2/3’s empty.  there is no instant turnaround.  better to knock it out quickly then the death of a thousand small ctuts.  it only comes back with a comprehensive testing program.  tests you get on demand with no doc.  and some kind if treatment becoming available that takes the load off the hospitals.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I'm simply saying that months and months of stay-at-home orders are literally impossible. People WILL stop obeying to work and live. Even when there is significantly less to work and live for due to a crippled economy and social unrest. If 'knock it out quickly' means locking down the country or much of it for months and months, I'm saying that they might as well plan to catch a unicorn. 

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29 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. I'm simply saying that months and months of stay-at-home orders are literally impossible. People WILL stop obeying to work and live. Even when there is significantly less to work and live for due to a crippled economy and social unrest. If 'knock it out quickly' means locking down the country or much of it for months and months, I'm saying that they might as well plan to catch a unicorn. 

Exactly.  This is a new fact of life people will have to adjust to.  Look, even if Coronavirus kills 40,000 americans this year, you can't plunge the country and world into a depression.  Hell, even if it is 100,000.  We are looking at a 25% drop in GDP if this continues for more than a couple weeks.  You are going to have riots and all sorts of unrest.  This myth that the government can float everyone to stay at home and live on Pizza Hut and Amazon is insane.

Can you keep large gatherings closed?  Sure.  Can you keep schools out for the rest of the school year?  Sure.

But if you keep completely destroy demand like we are doing in California for more than a matter of weeks, the whole society collapses.

FFS, people are shouting down other people on social media for leaving their house!  In communities that might have a few cases per 100,000, on a disease that is likely to have a mortality rate of 1% or less in Western countries.  That is crazy.  We could save 20 or 30 thousand lives every year by dropping the speed limit to 25mph, but we don't.  We accept the tradeoffs.

My customers are doing everything they can to keep their doors open and be able to pay their employees.  Those are my phucking people.  I have a responsibility to them, not just my family.  And as long as they are allowed to keep their doors open, I'll be open for business too.  I had four appointments today, and two for tomorrow.

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47 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said:

Making the case for a bailout. Like after 9/11.

You think they are just posturing? According to the posted article Delta said that after they come back from this (with the bailout) they are looking at coming back much smaller.

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12 minutes ago, CPslograd said:

Exactly.  This is a new fact of life people will have to adjust to.  Look, even if Coronavirus kills 40,000 americans this year, you can't plunge the country and world into a depression.  Hell, even if it is 100,000.  We are looking at a 25% drop in GDP if this continues for more than a couple weeks.  You are going to have riots and all sorts of unrest.  This myth that the government can float everyone to stay at home and live on Pizza Hut and Amazon is insane.

Can you keep large gatherings closed?  Sure.  Can you keep schools out for the rest of the school year?  Sure.

But if you keep completely destroy demand like we are doing in California for more than a matter of weeks, the whole society collapses.

FFS, people are shouting down other people on social media for leaving their house!  In communities that might have a few cases per 100,000, on a disease that is likely to have a mortality rate of 1% or less in Western countries.  That is crazy.  We could save 20 or 30 thousand lives every year by dropping the speed limit to 25mph, but we don't.  We accept the tradeoffs.

My customers are doing everything they can to keep their doors open and be able to pay their employees.  Those are my phucking people.  I have a responsibility to them, not just my family.  And as long as they are allowed to keep their doors open, I'll be open for business too.  I had four appointments today, and two for tomorrow.

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