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Corona Virus - How bad is it going to be?

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On 2/29/2024 at 12:34 PM, bornontheblue said:

Trump couldn't help himself 

Those daily COVID briefings early in 2020 were a complete shitshow. 

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While Trump never used the terms bleach or lysol that the media twisted, he was a daily bumbling idiot. What he should have done was, go outside (pun) of Fauci and Birx and have other world renowned virologists with different opinions speak instead. 

People that blamed Trump for the pandemic and the response are starting to backtrack. Remember, he didn't want to close the economy or schools and lock people inside. That was Fauci, and it turned out to be a horrible response to the pandemic. Fauci has also backtracked multiple times. As I stated before, corporate and health science bureaucrats were the winners of the pandemic. 

Btw, I heard there's a hurricane heading to Wyoming. :ph34r:

 

 

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On 2/29/2024 at 3:08 PM, AztecAlien said:

While Trump never used the terms bleach or lysol that the media twisted, he was a daily bumbling idiot. What he should have done was, go outside (pun) of Fauci and Birx and have other world renowned virologists with different opinions speak instead. 

People that blamed Trump for the pandemic and the response are starting to backtrack. Remember, he didn't want to close the economy or schools and lock people inside. That was Fauci, and it turned out to be a horrible response to the pandemic. Fauci has also backtracked multiple times. As I stated before, corporate and health science bureaucrats were the winners of the pandemic. 

Btw, I heard there's a hurricane heading to Wyoming. :ph34r:

 

 

Democrats weaponized Covid and BLM against Trump, then the media crucified Florida for staying open while NYC was a total disaster.  

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On 2/29/2024 at 11:29 AM, soupslam1 said:

He pissed too many people off far before Covid hit. 

This is probably right. The guy could just never shut up. He still can’t but no one is listening like they used to.

We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch.

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On 2/29/2024 at 1:15 PM, tailingpermit said:

then the media crucified Florida for staying open

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/01/825383186/florida-governor-orders-statewide-lockdown

 

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Florida has now joined the list of states that are ordering residents to remain in their homes for all but essential activities to help stop the spread of the coronavirus. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis made the announcement at an afternoon briefing. It was just a few hours after he spoke to President Trump. DeSantis said he's issuing an executive order that will direct "all Floridians to limit movements and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or essential activities."

 

People, not a fan.

 

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On 3/1/2024 at 10:23 AM, azgreg said:

That was really early when the government was pushing “stop the spread.” Florida was fully open shortly after, mask mandates were up to cities/counties. 
 

 

 

 

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Way over my head. Could be nonsense for all I know. But this research guy says the virus likely evolved within another animal before it got to humans. 

 

 

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On 1/29/2024 at 3:53 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Looks like the math is being challenged on the paper claiming to show the market was the epicenter of the virus.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3250106/covid-19-origins-researchers-challenge-early-paper-pointing-wuhan-market-epicentre-pandemic

Looks like the math shows it is no more likely the center than other nearby landmarks, like the WHIV

Nice summary of evidence that the disease did not come from rats in the public market. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opinion/covid-lab-leak.html

 

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On 6/3/2024 at 11:05 AM, azgreg said:

 

Even now, the “COVID is no big deal crowd” caring about the origins of COVID is weird. Why would they care if a disease that is harmless was created in a lab? 
 

Personally I want to know the origins of COVID because it’s important for future pandemic planning. Also, if the lab leak theory is true, the people that tried to deliberately mislead people about the lab leak theory’s viability need to be held accountable. What does accountable mean? Hell if I know. 
 

But other than those two things, I don’t see what else is really actionable (that I would support) about finding out COVID’s origins. 

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On 6/3/2024 at 2:46 PM, SalinasSpartan said:

Even now, the “COVID is no big deal crowd” caring about the origins of COVID is weird. Why would they care if a disease that is harmless was created in a lab? 
 

Personally I want to know the origins of COVID because it’s important for future pandemic planning. Also, if the lab leak theory is true, the people that tried to deliberately mislead people about the lab leak theory’s viability need to be held accountable. What does accountable mean? Hell if I know. 
 

But other than those two things, I don’t see what else is really actionable (that I would support) about finding out COVID’s origins. 

The biggest fear from the virology science world is the politicalization of policy.  Fear that new rules and procedures will negatively impact future planning and action including vaccine development (in link).  All that and working scientists under attack for doing what scientists do.  Two pandemics and a few more very scary viral outbreaks (and one being watched closely now) require attention to the threats posed by zoonotic disease.  Safe labs and oversight are no-brainer, but the devils are the details and virologists fear what has been coming down of late. 

78 authors from Jan. '24: https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.01791-23 

Abstract (intro):

"In the United States (US), biosafety and biosecurity oversight of research on viruses is being reappraised. Safety in virology research is paramount and oversight frameworks should be reviewed periodically. Changes should be made with care, however, to avoid impeding science that is essential for rapidly reducing and responding to pandemic threats as well as addressing more common challenges caused by infectious diseases. Decades of research uniquely positioned the US to be able to respond to the COVID-19 crisis with astounding speed, delivering life-saving vaccines within a year of identifying the virus. We should embolden and empower this strength, which is a vital part of protecting the health, economy, and security of US citizens. Herein, we offer our perspectives on priorities for revised rules governing virology research in the US."

From Commentary section:

"Heightened fears that virology research may either create or propagate viruses with disease-causing or pandemic potential have resulted in calls for restrictions on virology research. At the request of the US Government (USG), the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) developed a series of recommendations that would modify and expand existing oversight over virology research (6). We are concerned that the proposed NSABB oversight rules are not compatible with the realities of implementation, will not achieve the stated goals of increased safety or security, and will ultimately slow research progress to the overall detriment of pandemic preparedness. In the first 23 years of the 21st century, we have already been confronted with two pandemics (H1N1 influenza virus and COVID-19) and at least four major viral outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Zika, and Ebola). Well-developed and implemented oversight in pathogen research is crucially important; however, implementation of the proposed NSABB recommendations will leave the US more vulnerable to future viral outbreaks. New oversight must not impede the scientific mission of identifying and addressing well-evidenced natural threats."

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