Corona Virus - How bad is it going to be?

[happycamper]

On 2/22/2023 at 4:01 PM, bornontheblue said:

Well, 

What did we learn from all of this? 

• We can get by as a society on a lot less of the economy than we believe
• If people don't have a job and aren't on the street, they start doing... other stuff. A lot of them get education and better jobs - see the great resignation. A lot of them go out and protest against things that pissed them off before, but they never had the energy to do anything about. 
• A lot of the insistence that we work from the office is based on how many people are invested in commercial real estate 
• Our health care system is extremely vulnerable from a national security perspective to outside shocks and the only solution is, apparently, "print money"

[bitteraztec]

I just learned that the slightest nose congestion was in fact Covid.  

 

[Old_SD_Dude]

I learned that Bob is a doofus. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

I learned we are so completely +++++ed if a Pandemic comes around again that is slightly more virulent.  

[TheSanDiegan]

What did I learn? Well, most recently, that it requires far less effort to keep COVID out of a house than to mitigate the spread once it has entered a household - the old adage "a such in time saves nine" most certainly holds in this case.

I've also, since my wife brought this pathogen into the house, learned or re-learned the following:

• Studies show it takes a viral load with a aggregate mass of 1,000 virions to get sick - this can be inhaled as one cluster of 1,000 virions, ten clusters of 100, or a hundred clusters of ten, within the same time frame.
• An infected individual sheds a few thousand virus particles per minute through breathing, 3,000-5,000 through coughing, and 30K-40K through sneezing, most of the latter which will be ejected as droplets that can be bought with a simple surgical procedural mask.
• A surgical procedural mask also disrupts the fluid dynamics of ejecta
• HEPA air purifiers will remove all particulates down to .3 microns in size. 
• Aerosolized COVID loses approx. 90% of its virulency after approx. 20 minutes.
• While the size of an individual COVID-19 virion is only .1 microns, they are only viable once aerosolized in clusters large enough to be removed by HEOA filters rated for particulates .3 microns in size.
• It is possible to design convection currents with multiple air purifiers within the same space.

I have gone to great lengths to ensure that neither my now-centenarian g-ma, nor my parents, who come to help provide care for her during the day, get infected. In fact, I would go as far as to say with near-mathematical certainty they have not. However, to ensure this, I have conversely, had to expose myself to the virus on a daily basis.

After my wife tested positive the Wed after the Super Bowl, she began isolating in a corner room of the house. We have five points of entry, two of which allow for a cross current of ventilation that effectively creates an airstream barrier that parses her from the rest of the house when it is warm enough outside. I have two HEPA air purifiers that together push through about 300 cu. ft. of air per minute (CFM). These are placed in such a way as to create a loop current that maximizes their efficiency - I would estimate that the air room in which she has lived for the last 11 days is +/-80-90% purified every 16-18 minutes. A third air purifier is stationed in the adjacent space.

When I am in said adjacent space (as I am now typing this), I wear two masks - an N95 and a procedural mask. Two f*cking masks. In my own home. Sucks, but better safe than sorry. 

She does not leave that space unless she is a) going outside (Sunny day? Go on GET!), or b) going to the bathroom. I bring her everything she needs - this simple sticktoitiveness ensures she doesn't cross-contaminate other surfaces in the house. 

The one room she does enter besides her quarantine room is the bathroom. An air purifier is placed in the bathroom before she uses it and left running for 90 minutes afterwards (enough time to purify 10X the volume of air in the bathroom). In addition, ventilation fans are ran in the vanity and toilet/shower She only removes her mask to brush her teeth or shower. Once she is done, she wipes down every surface she has touched with a Clorox wipe. 

The bathroom is then left as-is for the next 30 minutes, after which I enter in (said) two masks and gloves, spray the shit out of with aerosolized Lysol, and then re-wipe every surface she has touched with Lysol wipes.

These steps, in aggregate, should effectively mitigate the risk of spread.

It is now 11 days since my wife's onset of symptoms, which themselves were only moderate for 1-2 days before waning (fully taxed and boosted), and have been - aside from a scratchy-but-not-sore throat - completely gonzo for a week now.

However, I have been testing her daily since T+8 Days, and as of last night (T+10 days) she is still testing positive (interesting to note that on the day she first felt sick, she tested negative). I have also been testing myself daily since the 15th.

And between being a wet nurse to my wife, pulling her weight in addition to my own with the evening care of my elderly g-ma, and having to employ all these active measures to ensure no-one else gets COVID has occupied way more bandwidth than I would have preferred and severely impacted my productivity over the past couple weeks. Still better than the alternative I suppose.

Speaking of which, my ward is requesting coffee with turmeric powder. Time to step and fetch it...  

 

[TheSanDiegan]

Interesting to see my wife's infection waning as indicated by the increasingly faded test line on the last three nights' tests. From top-to-bottom: 23 Feb, 24 Feb, 25 Feb:

I expect she'll test negative tonight. But last night's result was sufficient to end her isolation and my masking. Still running the air purifiers and asking her to wear a mask until she tests negative tho. 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 2/22/2023 at 1:01 PM, bornontheblue said:

Well, 

What did we learn from all of this? 

That bitch Carol Baskins killed her husband

[bornontheblue]

Here is what I have recently learned. Covid revealed there are a lot of stupid people among us. 

I have been having a conversation with a real nurse who works in a real hospital and she is trying to argue that more people have died from getting the MRNA vaccine than those who have died from COVID, and COVID is just an overblown hoax.  

 

 

 

[grandjean87]

On 2/27/2023 at 8:44 PM, bornontheblue said:

Here is what I have recently learned. Covid revealed there are a lot of stupid people among us. 

I have been having a conversation with a real nurse who works in a real hospital and she is trying to argue that more people have died from getting the MRNA vaccine than those who have died from COVID, and COVID is just an overblown hoax.  

 

 

 

Some of the absolute best examples of the Dunning-Kruger thesis are nurses.  

[bornontheblue]

On 2/27/2023 at 8:54 PM, grandjean87 said:

Dunning-Kruger thesis

Had no idea what that is. I had to ask the robot. 

[grandjean87]

On 2/27/2023 at 9:47 PM, bornontheblue said:

Had no idea what that is. I had to ask the robot. 

It has many parallels.

I'd normally be sarcastic on this topic, but it really has infiltrated the political-cultural scene in ways that feel different than before.  Maybe it's not which leads me to my default position on social science data and conclusions -- wait and see. 

 

[Stealthlobo]

On 2/27/2023 at 8:44 PM, bornontheblue said:

Here is what I have recently learned. Covid revealed there are a lot of stupid people among us. 

I have been having a conversation with a real nurse who works in a real hospital and she is trying to argue that more people have died from getting the MRNA vaccine than those who have died from COVID, and COVID is just an overblown hoax.  

 

 

 

My gf is an ER nurse and most of her colleagues are anti-mRNA vax too, it's so bizarre. All the physicians she works with though are pro-vaccine at least.

[happycamper]

On 2/27/2023 at 2:14 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

That bitch Carol Baskins killed her husband

he lives. she wasn't lying somehow. he really did just... peace out

https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/family-of-carole-baskins-dead-husband-break-silence/

[tspoke]

On 2/27/2023 at 12:14 AM, thelawlorfaithful said:

That bitch Carol Baskins killed her husband

God, that feels like a lifetime ago.

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 2/28/2023 at 5:56 AM, happycamper said:

he lives. she wasn't lying somehow. he really did just... peace out

https://nypost.com/2023/01/20/family-of-carole-baskins-dead-husband-break-silence/

According to her.

[East Coast Aztec]

On 2/28/2023 at 5:33 AM, Stealthlobo said:

My gf is an ER nurse and most of her colleagues are anti-mRNA vax too, it's so bizarre. All the physicians she works with though are pro-vaccine at least.

Is there any actual scientific analysis and findings that lead these nurses to their conclusions?  I have two friends who are ER nurses where they had numerous COVID-related deaths, and they are staunchly pro-vax, even though they are pretty "free to live your life" types.  And since I am a sounding board for their bad days, I routinely hear their frustration with people who got hospitalized or died from COVID issues and have asked them their experience on vaxxed hospitalizations, and they say the difference is pretty drastic on severities and visit trends in general.  It's where I get my anecdotals from, besides any folks I know personally who were hospitalized.

 

[bornontheblue]

On 2/28/2023 at 10:29 AM, East Coast Aztec said:

Is there any actual scientific analysis and findings that lead these nurses to their conclusions?  I have two friends who are ER nurses where they had numerous COVID-related deaths, and they are staunchly pro-vax, even though they are pretty "free to live your life" types.  And since I am a sounding board for their bad days, I routinely hear their frustration with people who got hospitalized or died from COVID issues and have asked them their experience on vaxxed hospitalizations, and they say the difference is pretty drastic on severities and visit trends in general.  It's where I get my anecdotals from, besides any folks I know personally who were hospitalized.

 

I asked my friend who is a nurse the same question and she sent me a few random you tube videos of nutjobs spouting conspiracy theories, and her telling me about the final words of her dad as he was dying from COVID that "he didn't have COVID". 

If a large group of CPA's  were arguing that income taxes are unconstitutional and you don't need to pay them the AICPA would censure their asses, perhaps take away their license. 

Nursing is a fine , and very respected profession. It takes a lot of hardwork and dedication t get that license. They have a lot of people who make their profession look terrible though. 

[Stealthlobo]

On 2/28/2023 at 10:29 AM, East Coast Aztec said:

Is there any actual scientific analysis and findings that lead these nurses to their conclusions?  I have two friends who are ER nurses where they had numerous COVID-related deaths, and they are staunchly pro-vax, even though they are pretty "free to live your life" types.  And since I am a sounding board for their bad days, I routinely hear their frustration with people who got hospitalized or died from COVID issues and have asked them their experience on vaxxed hospitalizations, and they say the difference is pretty drastic on severities and visit trends in general.  It's where I get my anecdotals from, besides any folks I know personally who were hospitalized.

 

Definitely not. I feel a lot of nurses arent really comfortable searching primary literature. Even my gf comes to me for anything that requires just the slightest research.  It's just nurses she works with seem to mostly come from that political spectrum which warps their views. 

A lot of nurses seem to have very conservative views, where as physicians and pharmacists either change their medical views due to schooling or seem to be more liberal to begin with. I have yet to meet another pharmacist who is anti-vax, which makes me very curious about Bob's wife. I know she is pharmacist from a rural area who he has said is vaccinated. Does she agree with Bob's views, or is she pro-vax and just rolls her eyes when her husband goes off on a tirade? 

[bornontheblue]

On 2/28/2023 at 11:52 AM, Stealthlobo said:

or is she pro-vax and just rolls her eyes when her husband goes off on a tirade? 

Definitely this. 

@Bob , shut it about about the vaccines and go wash my car!

 

[East Coast Aztec]

On 2/28/2023 at 10:52 AM, Stealthlobo said:

Definitely not. I feel a lot of nurses arent really comfortable searching primary literature. Even my gf comes to me for anything that requires just the slightest research.  It's just nurses she works with seem to mostly come from that political spectrum which warps their views. 

A lot of nurses seem to have very conservative views, where as physicians and pharmacists either change their medical views due to schooling or seem to be more liberal to begin with. I have yet to meet another pharmacist who is anti-vax, which makes me very curious about Bob's wife. I know she is pharmacist from a rural area who he has said is vaccinated. Does she agree with Bob's views, or is she pro-vax and just rolls her eyes when her husband goes off on a tirade? 

Might make sense why he is so prolific on against anything COVID since day 1.  He needs to vent, and maybe can't at home. 

 

Or, maybe she is the twitter account he never stops posting.