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13 hours ago, Maji said:

I hope the cdc is accepting its share of the responsibility for the teen mental health crisis.

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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On 4/1/2022 at 8:28 AM, smltwnrckr said:

I hope the cdc is accepting its share of the responsibility for the teen mental health crisis.

Paywall, but the headline infers that?

The CDC was ill-suited for much of what got put on it by the media, local/state governments, and the feds throughout the pandemic. It’s not designed as a command and control center, but that’s how it was treated far too often, far too much. Unfortunately, the whole political and cultural mess didn’t help local health boards, school districts, universities, and governors among others make sound policy. 

The teen and young adult mental health situation is going to take time to work out. Schools (and churches) do a lot of interventions, but we were in a very weird time for a couple of years and the mental health issues were trending up even beforehand. 

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On 4/1/2022 at 7:44 AM, grandjean87 said:

Paywall, but the headline infers that?

The CDC was ill-suited for much of what got put on it by the media, local/state governments, and the feds throughout the pandemic. It’s not designed as a command and control center, but that’s how it was treated far too often, far too much. Unfortunately, the whole political and cultural mess didn’t help local health boards, school districts, universities, and governors among others make sound policy. 

The teen and young adult mental health situation is going to take time to work out. Schools (and churches) do a lot of interventions, but we were in a very weird time for a couple of years and the mental health issues were trending up even beforehand. 

Something to also mention.  The twitter post notes an increase of 9 percent in 10, with a spike in the year where COVID happened.  As we all saw, COVID illuminated issues and made them explode.  

 

So are we not going to talk about the existing issues that COVID punched people in the face with?  Or do we just say "COVID and government is to blame" without even looking at the trend already there?   Who am I kidding, of course that is what we are going to do...

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On 4/1/2022 at 7:59 AM, Bob said:

Would have been better to do absolutely nothing. Act like COVID didn't exist. Guarantee the world would be a better place today.

 

An opinion shared by zero majority in any field or political affiliation.  Businesses would be +++++ing gone if we had done nothing, but at least your mental health would be fine.

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35 minutes ago, grandjean87 said:

The CDC was ill-suited for much of what got put on it by the media, local/state governments, and the feds throughout the pandemic. It’s not designed as a command and control center, but that’s how it was treated far too often, far too much. Unfortunately, the whole political and cultural mess didn’t help local health boards, school districts, universities, and governors among others make sound policy. 

Some people were saying this from the beginning. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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On 4/1/2022 at 9:20 AM, smltwnrckr said:

Some people were saying this from the beginning. 

Yes. Also, unfortunately, the CDC got tagged as “it”.  Collectively, we looked to a “source” and the CDC along w/the one old doc and local health boards were pretty much it and all flawed.  

 

 

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On 4/1/2022 at 9:59 AM, Bob said:

Would have been better to do absolutely nothing. Act like COVID didn't exist. Guarantee the world would be a better place today.

 

Thanks, Thanos....

In the beginning the Universe was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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On 4/1/2022 at 8:40 AM, grandjean87 said:

Yes. Also, unfortunately, the CDC got tagged as “it”.  Collectively, we looked to a “source” and the CDC along w/the one old doc and local health boards were pretty much it and all flawed.  

 

 

Health wise, something was going to be the fall guy.  If it wasn't Fauci, it would have been someone in DHHS.  If no one was the face, people would scream that the government is conspiring and keeping things from us.  It never matters.  We Americans need someone to blame.  

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On 4/1/2022 at 8:53 AM, East Coast Aztec said:

Something to also mention.  The twitter post notes an increase of 9 percent in 10, with a spike in the year where COVID happened.  As we all saw, COVID illuminated issues and made them explode.  

 

So are we not going to talk about the existing issues that COVID punched people in the face with?  Or do we just say "COVID and government is to blame" without even looking at the trend already there?   Who am I kidding, of course that is what we are going to do...

Teen and young adult mental health trends were known before the pandemic. Deaths of despair in the USA (suicide, drug ODs, alcoholic disease) were trending upwards strongly for most age groups in that decade-plus before 2020.  Of course, the pandemic didn’t help those trends and it’s not surprising social metrics like the ones mentioned worsened over the past two years.  Plenty of factors contributed and plenty of places to spread the blame. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, grandjean87 said:

Teen and young adult mental health trends were known before the pandemic. Deaths of despair in the USA (suicide, drug ODs, alcoholic disease) were trending upwards strongly for most age groups in that decade-plus before 2020.  Of course, the pandemic didn’t help those trends and it’s not surprising social metrics like the ones mentioned worsened over the past two years.  Plenty of factors contributed and plenty of places to spread the blame. 
 

 

It turns out shutting yourself in and living in constant fear pushed by the MSM isn't good for mental health. Who knew? 

There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. 

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On 4/1/2022 at 8:47 AM, grandjean87 said:

Teen and young adult mental health trends were known before the pandemic. Deaths of despair in the USA (suicide, drug ODs, alcoholic disease) were trending upwards strongly for most age groups in that decade-plus before 2020.  Of course, the pandemic didn’t help those trends and it’s not surprising social metrics like the ones mentioned worsened over the past two years.  Plenty of factors contributed and plenty of places to spread the blame. 
 

 

This was my thought. How different is the situation with teens from the population at large? Hell, the proliferation of Bobs gets me down. 

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On 3/25/2022 at 5:10 PM, Bob said:

MaSkS wOrK DaMnIt!!!!

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you posted a graph with damn near a year of no deaths before vaccines so... yes? masks work great?

jesus bob do you have an analytical bone in your body?

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1 hour ago, smltwnrckr said:

I hope the cdc is accepting its share of the responsibility for the teen mental health crisis.

I idly wonder how much this is exacerbated by the fact that the only thing to do was hit up social media- probably the thing most responsible for the increase of feelings of "sadness or hopelessness" in the first place.

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Just now, grandjean87 said:

Duh, but I’d go with more a bit complex explanation beyond the MSM. 

Sure, but the constant stream of information was a lot from the MSM. Social media also fueled it. 

There are only two things I can't stand in this world: people who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. 

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3 minutes ago, Bob said:

Why did the masks cease working? hmmm almost as if they make zero difference. You need a course in logic.

lol why did their measures stop working right as "vaccine passports" were issued? I wonder if masks act as a prophylactic in conjunction with other methods, and allowing large gatherings increased death rates? 

It has been explained to you over and over and over and over that masks aren't a magic cure - that they're a preventative or prophylactic. You're pointing to a deadly crash that had seatbelt use and are saying "LOOK! SEAT BELTS DON'T EVER WORK AT ALL! MY BRAIN IS THE SIZE OF A WALNUT!"

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On 4/1/2022 at 8:53 AM, madmartigan said:

Sure, but the constant stream of information was a lot from the MSM. Social media also fueled it. 

Perhaps parents should talk to their kids more about the ills of social media.  I am sure after they finished their tweets and "Dear Facebook's", they really took advantage of all that free time the evil government forced on them to act like a family.  :whistle:

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On 4/1/2022 at 9:50 AM, madmartigan said:

It turns out shutting yourself in and living in constant fear pushed by the MSM isn't good for mental health. Who knew? 

Yeah, a once in a lifetime pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands in this country alone and left millions of others dealing with long term effects sucked.  For sure.   

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15 minutes ago, grandjean87 said:

Yes. Also, unfortunately, the CDC got tagged as “it”.  Collectively, we looked to a “source” and the CDC along w/the one old doc and local health boards were pretty much it and all flawed.  

We shouldn't assume just because things happened that they were inevitable. There were failures at every level, and the CDC isn't singularly to blame. But the CDC had the ability to stay in its lane, but did not. It could have refused to issue decisions related to eviction, for instance. Just one instance.

I'm not a Blame Fauci or Blame THE CDC guy. This spiraled out of control from the beginning, which is why there should have been people other than health experts in the room to figure out a costs and benefits on all sides and to predict and mitigate the political impacts in all this. But the problem from the beginning was that this was treated from the beginning as solely an epidemiological problem. It's just math! And, as these children are showing us, it is not just math. 

Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention.

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