modestobulldog Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I think we're handling this the best possible way. We need to put the pedal to the metal, the best we can. Ease up when we need to, use our noggins, figure out the best way to handle it. The more our economy tanks, the worse the overall suffering will be. Right now it seems everybody's banking on masks. If that doesn't do it, we may just need to accept increased deaths. Big picture, we've been blessed with long-term increase in age longevity, this will just be a minor setback in the overall trend. A few generations ago, you were lucky to live to age 65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, modestobulldog said: I think we're handling this the best possible way. We need to put the pedal to the metal, the best we can. Ease up when we need to, use our noggins, figure out the best way to handle it. The more our economy tanks, the worse the overall suffering will be. Right now it seems everybody's banking on masks. If that doesn't do it, we may just need to accept increased deaths. Big picture, we've been blessed with long-term increase in age longevity, this will just be a minor setback in the overall trend. A few generations ago, you were lucky to live to age 65. So life expectancy in the US has fallen behind other peer countries when we used to be in the middle. That is not a good place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoFacts Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 The CDC says pregnant women who get COVID-19 are at a higher risk of hospitalization and ventilation than non-pregnant women who get COVID-19. The death rates are about the same for both groups. Add pregnant women to the high-risk groups. Quote However, more than 31% of pregnant women who caught coronavirus were hospitalized, compared to 5.8% of nonpregnant women, the report found. "Pregnant women were 50% more likely to be admitted to the intensive care unit and 70% more likely to receive mechanical ventilation," Oliver said in her presentation. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/health/coronavirus-pregnant-risks-cdc-study/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitteraztec Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/scottsdale/2020/06/24/arizona-governor-condemns-scottsdale-councilmans-i-cant-breathe-comment/3255551001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4UNLV Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Any truth to this? higher premiums I understand, but denial? That would be especially brutal for those who tested positive but were asymptomatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 45 minutes ago, 4UNLV said: Any truth to this? higher premiums I understand, but denial? That would be especially brutal for those who tested positive but were asymptomatic. That would be some Mr. Burns level stuff right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 hours ago, FresnoFacts said: So life expectancy in the US has fallen behind other peer countries when we used to be in the middle. That is not a good place to be. Costs you 4 years of your life to live in the greatest country in the world I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanforHeisman Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 hours ago, soupslam1 said: One good thing. Since we stopped doing much our checking account is growing. Lol same. Financially this thing has been good for our family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 hours ago, modestobulldog said: I think we're handling this the best possible way. We need to put the pedal to the metal, the best we can. Ease up when we need to, use our noggins, figure out the best way to handle it. The more our economy tanks, the worse the overall suffering will be. Right now it seems everybody's banking on masks. If that doesn't do it, we may just need to accept increased deaths. Big picture, we've been blessed with long-term increase in age longevity, this will just be a minor setback in the overall trend. A few generations ago, you were lucky to live to age 65. Yeah not sure what your intent was with that chart but if you juxtapose it with cost per capita showing the US spends 1.8 times more than the next closest country it’s a pretty good model of how F’d up our country is on healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, 4UNLV said: Any truth to this? higher premiums I understand, but denial? That would be especially brutal for those who tested positive but were asymptomatic. The best he can do is issue an executive order. The Dems in the House aren’t changing any law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renoskier Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, toonkee said: Costs you 4 years of your life to live in the greatest country in the world I guess... "American Exceptionalism"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 2 hours ago, sactowndog said: Yeah not sure what your intent was with that chart but if you juxtapose it with cost per capita showing the US spends 1.8 times more than the next closest country it’s a pretty good model of how F’d up our country is on healthcare. No it doesn’t. Life expectancy isn’t a reflection of how good our healthcare system is. Once you’re in their hands, you’re in the best healthcare system in the world. Before that, while you’re driving your suburban self to and fro, traveling from point a to point b until an accident happens, it’s out of their hands. It’s a big country. And it’s even bigger for most of us that frequent here. We know we’re not walking it, or riding trains or subways like many other places. That ain’t the medical professional’s fault. 2 Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 9 hours ago, 4UNLV said: Any truth to this? higher premiums I understand, but denial? That would be especially brutal for those who tested positive but were asymptomatic. It's a great way to slow down testing, like he suggested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Aztec Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 8 hours ago, toonkee said: Costs you 4 years of your life to live in the greatest country in the world I guess... It's like a military sentence enlistment term 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGiant Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said: No it doesn’t. Life expectancy isn’t a reflection of how good our healthcare system is. Once you’re in their hands, you’re in the best healthcare system in the world. Before that, while you’re driving your suburban self to and fro, traveling from point a to point b until an accident happens, it’s out of their hands. It’s a big country. And it’s even bigger for most of us that frequent here. We know we’re not walking it, or riding trains or subways like many other places. That ain’t the medical professional’s fault. This is true, but it’s not the whole truth. While our system is among the best in the world, Access to health care for the poor and lower middle class is a key reason why their life expectancy is significantly lower than other Americans, driving the overall life expectancy of the country lower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, Bob said: Comparing the life expectancy of our diverse population with those of countries of homogeneous populations is comparing apples to oranges and then to decry our health care system as the sole reason we lag is doubly stupid. Not all developed countries are homogenous. How do we compare to the UK, France, and Canada? Not being a smart ass, I haven’t looked up how we stack up against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 6 hours ago, thelawlorfaithful said: No it doesn’t. Life expectancy isn’t a reflection of how good our healthcare system is. Once you’re in their hands, you’re in the best healthcare system in the world. Before that, while you’re driving your suburban self to and fro, traveling from point a to point b until an accident happens, it’s out of their hands. It’s a big country. And it’s even bigger for most of us that frequent here. We know we’re not walking it, or riding trains or subways like many other places. That ain’t the medical professional’s fault. That may be true for the 1% club. It is not close to true for those going to places like Kaiser which actively tries to not see people to increase profits. And life expectancy is a measure of our healthcare as is infant mortality and other proxies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, Bob said: Comparing the life expectancy of our diverse population with those of countries of homogeneous populations is comparing apples to oranges and then to decry our health care system as the sole reason we lag is doubly stupid. Thinking those countries all have homogeneous populations is not at all accurate. Britain has a very diverse population for example. Spend any time in London? The statistics Modesto posted are called benchmarking. It is used in every well run organization. If you think you have a better benchmark statistic you are free to post it. Otherwise, it is your typical head in the sand ignore the data response which quite frankly gets old and is out of step with everyone else who is thoughtful and data driven on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, SalinasSpartan said: Not all developed countries are homogenous. How do we compare to the UK, France, and Canada? Not being a smart ass, I haven’t looked up how we stack up against them. United States = 78.9 UK = 81.3 Canada = 82.4 France = 82.7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob said: We get it. You hate America. No, I'm just tired of GD stupid dummies that see world stats on things like life expectancy, happiness, freedom and education and tell me America is #1 because some people have a house on a quarter acre. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...