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Corona Virus - How bad is it going to be?

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14 minutes ago, soupslam1 said:

Since we are testing a lot more people than we did several weeks ago, yet seeing less positive cases, the above curve is even more hopeful. 

Some data from Johns Hopkins.

Really a reach here, but it's starting to look like the virus is going into a typical seasonal decline and may or may not reemerge with a vengeance.  If it is a seasonal decline, that at least gives the scientists a little bit of a break while they work to address a possible comeback.

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2 hours ago, mysfit said:

My point there is that the economy we have really only benefits the top 5%.

The rest, 95% of us get screwed over. Stagnant wages, non living wages, many don't get health care.

The top 5% benefit and the rest of us are exploited for their benefit.

My point is, the current economy and how it works sucks badly. The widening inequality of income. Why should we risk lives to open that shit back up?

Fix it si it benefits most people. I know, pretty radical notion. But that's what I meant with the 5%.

 

All the conveniences you and millions of others use on a daily basis like a computer and the smart phone are a result of the evil 5% you hate so much. Those 5% are responsible for creation of millions of jobs. They are also responsible for paying the largest amount of taxes. If those 5% decided to close their businesses we would be in a world of hurt. 
 

https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/05/12/john-stossel-the-evil-rich/?utm_source=whatfinger

 

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We were just in India a little more than a month ago when every started going down. Its really sad what covid19 is doing to the people there now. It helps me personally put into perspective how lucky we have it here even with the lockdowns and economic issues.

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25 minutes ago, retrofade said:

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I have a cousin who is fully on the anti-gates train. She recently shared a video by a guy wearing, i shit you not, a Cookie Monster t-shirt. If you’re going to blow the lid off of Bill Gates’ evil plot to control the masses, might I suggest a button-up?

And why is it always a YouTube video? Why do people think that the best place to get your information is the same place to watch Logan Paul snort scorpions? You might as well use pornhub as a source.

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10 hours ago, mysfit said:

Which test kits are widely available?

 

The ones with a 15% false negative rate?

 

We need some real quality control in addition to quantity.

My hospital has more than 1500 Cepheid tests (most we've ever had) and only 200 swabs. 15 percent false negative rate at best. It's not a quality control issue for the American made tests. This is a much more complex issue than you make it out to be. With respect to your other assertion that only 5% benefit from opening the economy, fair or not, those 5 percent enable the economy to provide revenue for the other 95% oppressed peoples. Count me among the oppressors who employ 15 employees who get paid before I do.

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3 hours ago, Stealthlobo said:

We were just in India a little more than a month ago when every started going down. Its really sad what covid19 is doing to the people there now. It helps me personally put into perspective how lucky we have it here even with the lockdowns and economic issues.

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Interesting...  I have 5 people from India working for me right now (3 here in US, 2 in India).  They all make it sound like what’s going on over there right now isn’t that big of a deal.  Of course, none of them are linked to Mumbai so it’s probably a regional perspective.

It could get REAL ugly there.  So sad.  😞 

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https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-cure-california-biopharmaceutical-coronavirus-antibody-breakthrough

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Through further testing, the researchers at Sorrento found that there was one particular antibody that showed to be 100 percent effective in blocking COVID-19 from infecting health cells — STI-1499.

"When the antibody prevents a virus from entering a human cell, the virus cannot survive," Dr. Ji said. "If they cannot get into the cell, they cannot replicate. So it means that if we prevent the virus from getting the cell, the virus eventually dies out. The body clears out that virus."

"This puts its arms around the virus. It wraps around the virus and moves them out of the body."

Interesting news.

If this works, it could revolutionize how we approach immunizing the public.

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I think most people understand the risks now.  And most people are taking precautions although I do see many people not wearing masks around where I live.  But people are not shaking hands and they are keeping their distance from others and I think most people wash their hands more but if your out and about you can't really do that effectively.  I've gone out to places and some stores such as Lowes and usually wear a mask but I was at a garden nursery and did not wear a mask there.  But people cannot just sit in their homes for a months and months and think things are just going to somehow be alright.  Economic disaster has the potential to cause more problems than this virus will.  Crime is going to rise, businesses will close, people out of work by the millions and gov't stimulus is not going to make up for that.  

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I got tested about 10 minutes ago. State funded pop-up sites are now available in our area so I made an appointment yesterday as recommended by my work. I got the nasal swab and to be honest it wasn't all that bad. It's uncomfortable for sure, but not the worst thing I've ever gone through. I should get results back in 2-3 days. 

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3 hours ago, Bob said:

Just so we're clear, a vaccine is likely not an option. Like, ever. There has never been a vaccine made for any coronavirus in history, so hiding in our caves is senseless.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

Would you purposefully expose yourself  to Covid-19 if given the chance?

Here’s your chance.

https://1daysooner.org

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35 minutes ago, pokerider said:

I think most people understand the risks now.  And most people are taking precautions although I do see many people not wearing masks around where I live.  But people are not shaking hands and they are keeping their distance from others and I think most people wash their hands more but if your out and about you can't really do that effectively.  I've gone out to places and some stores such as Lowes and usually wear a mask but I was at a garden nursery and did not wear a mask there.  But people cannot just sit in their homes for a months and months and think things are just going to somehow be alright.  Economic disaster has the potential to cause more problems than this virus will.  Crime is going to rise, businesses will close, people out of work by the millions and gov't stimulus is not going to make up for that.  

Nobody wants to stay locked up with their five-year olds indefinitely, ask me how I know! :blink:

Nobody wants to stay locked up forever until most of us are living in cardboard boxes.

Nobody wants to open up and needlessly kill people who would otherwise be alive. 

Can we all dispense with those extreme tropes? Not pointing at you specifically poke, just in general.

I'll keep preaching this until I'm blue in the face, the shutdowns are not the problem. They suck, they're probably an over reaction in most communities, we can argue about their Constitutionality, but they aren't the root of the problem.

The economy won't start moving again until consumers feel safe to go out and be consumers. Businesses are going to face a choice, open up and lose money serving 50% of their normal customer base, or stay closed until there is enough demand to make money.

Until there is a vaccine, a rock solid treatment, effective testing and contact tracing, and/or solid evidence of herd immunity, things aren't returning to normal. Stay-at-home orders or no.

 

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5 hours ago, Stealthlobo said:

We were just in India a little more than a month ago when every started going down. Its really sad what covid19 is doing to the people there now. It helps me personally put into perspective how lucky we have it here even with the lockdowns and economic issues.

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"As the coronavirus gnaws its way across India, Mumbai has suffered the worst. This city of 20 million is now responsible for 20 percent of India’s coronavirus infections and nearly 25 percent of the deaths.

Hospitals are overflowing with the sick. Police officers are exhausted enforcing a stay-at-home curfew. Doctors say the biggest enemy is Mumbai’s density."

The math is pretty simple. Population density plus Covid-19 are not a happy mix.

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4 minutes ago, THEUniversityofNevada said:

Nobody wants to stay locked up with their five-year olds indefinitely, ask me how I know! :blink:

Nobody wants to stay locked up forever until most of us are living in cardboard boxes.

Nobody wants to open up and needlessly kill people who would otherwise be alive. 

Can we all dispense with those extreme tropes? Not pointing at you specifically poke, just in general.

I'll keep preaching this until I'm blue in the face, the shutdowns are not the problem. They suck, they're probably an over reaction in most communities, we can argue about their Constitutionality, but they aren't the root of the problem.

The economy won't start moving again until consumers feel safe to go out and be consumers. Businesses are going to face a choice, open up and lose money serving 50% of their normal customer base, or stay closed until there is enough demand to make money.

Until there is a vaccine, a rock solid treatment, effective testing and contact tracing, and/or solid evidence of herd immunity, things aren't returning to normal. Stay-at-home orders or no.

 

There is not likely to be a rock solid vaccine and testing is only valid at the time of test.  Its not like getting tested for a std. and then not having sex again for 3 months.  The flu shot is only partially effective and so will any Covid shot. 
Things are not going to get back to normal this year for sure, absolutely nobody is expecting that either.   
And many businesses won't have any good choice, open or closed.  I can only say in my area, people are going to restaurants and other places again although not in high numbers.  

Hell I'm probably fortunate in not much in my day to day life has actually changed much.  I worked at home before and still do, I don't go out a lot and still don't.  

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26 minutes ago, Bob said:

Yeah, honestly I would. If this were in my area I would sign up .

I don’t believe you nor do I believe you even looked at the link. It gives multiple options for participating and none of them are for particular areas. If you’re serious, then sign up. If/when the time comes, they will contact you.

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I see no other alternative than returning to work and school with masks, distancing as possible, and testing as available. There will be more infected people and some will die. Most will inevitably get the virus and be sick for a couple of weeks, recover, and then return to work. Older and compromised people need to remain sheltered unless they must work. 

Staying sheltered for several more months is going to cause more problems than the above including suicides which are already increasing. 

If infected people do not gain immunity, and herd immunity does not develop, we are essentially screwed unless effective treatment is imminent. A vaccine is too distant to wait sheltered that long for those that must work to support themselves and family.

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