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11 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

 

I don’t have the answers to all of these questions, try as I might. But I am looking through the prism of restarting the economy while trying to minimize the spread. I am certainly not trying to reward office workers just because. Nor am I trying to punish workers who can’t work from home. But sending workers into offices unnecessarily will make things worse, not better, for everybody.

In a perfect world we could all stay home until there is a vaccine.  Just not feasible.  Still people should avoid unnecessary interaction with people, at least in close proximity.  Us doing so is safer for the essential employee and factory worker as well.  These desk jobs are not going to be in a huge hurry to get everybody back working from home as long as productivity remains high, either.  They save a lot of overhead this way.

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2 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

In a perfect world we could all stay home until there is a vaccine.  Just not feasible.  Still people should avoid unnecessary interaction with people, at least in close proximity.  Us doing so is safer for the essential employee and factory worker as well.  These desk jobs are not going to be in a huge hurry to get every back working from home as long as productivity remains high either.  They save a lot of overhead this way.

I think that is true and pretty much the bottom line. If I could have my way, I would have Jeff Bezos in the warehouse with a tape gun in hand. But that is beside the point. we have to deal with reality. And right now we have two competing goals: to reopen the economy and to minimize the spread of the virus. So we have to do it this way, even if it isn’t exactly fair.

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22 hours ago, BestintheWest said:

When I drafted Damien Williams last year before the season the projections were through the roof. He was a top tier running back, Kareem Hunt was cut off, it was Williams' show all the predictions trended up.

Then the games were played. What a +++++ing let down. Nowhere near projections. Total bust as a 3rd round pick.

 

Covid-19 freaked everyone the +++++ out. Projections were enormous. Theories were established based on worst case scenario and limited data. (Even moreso than we got at first glance...China)

Covid-19 was drafted preseason. Covid-19 has started half of this season. Yet, this asshole isn't putting up anywhere near the numbers we were promised.

 

Open it up. Give the guidelines. Encourage the social distancing. Washing hands. Being courteous. Quarantine the at-risk, not the healthy.

 

Isolation and economy collapse has its own factors. Domestics are up. Child abuse reports are record lows (teachers/care takers are #1 reporters). Depression and mental illness climbing. Immune systems weakening due to lack of exposure to normal outside world.

A woman, a laid off casino worker, tried to kill herself in jail last night. DUI, drunk, emotional, tied her underwear around her neck until she turned blue and was cut down.

Covid-19 is preventing people from other diseases and illnesses. Not seeing the doctor over fear of exposures.

 

We're 5 weeks in. Can't get a stimulus check. People can't get through to receive their unemployment benefits. People already getting anxious. You don't want to see what 10 weeks looks like. Desperation, fight or flight will take over society.

What will you do to feed yourself? What is someone else capable to do to feed themselves, their children?

       

Great analogy! And just like with coronavirus, other teams just didn't play the Chiefs to keep Willams' numbers down. 

8 hours ago, CPslograd said:

Seriously, that's your response? 

It's not even practical.  It's not ethical either.

You think you are going to hold society together by having office workers stay home while blue collar workers go to work every day for an extended time period?   How long till they figure out this is bullshit and stay at home?  

That's not a hypothetical either.  About 10% of the workers at the plant quit or stopped coming to work.  And hiring is damn near impossible right now.  Try stretching this out for months and months.

That feeling when you join the socialists in calling for a general strike

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22 hours ago, BestintheWest said:

When I drafted Damien Williams last year before the season the projections were through the roof. He was a top tier running back, Kareem Hunt was cut off, it was Williams' show all the predictions trended up.

Then the games were played. What a +++++ing let down. Nowhere near projections. Total bust as a 3rd round pick.

 

Covid-19 freaked everyone the +++++ out. Projections were enormous. Theories were established based on worst case scenario and limited data. (Even moreso than we got at first glance...China)

Covid-19 was drafted preseason. Covid-19 has started half of this season. Yet, this asshole isn't putting up anywhere near the numbers we were promised.

 

Open it up. Give the guidelines. Encourage the social distancing. Washing hands. Being courteous. Quarantine the at-risk, not the healthy.

 

Isolation and economy collapse has its own factors. Domestics are up. Child abuse reports are record lows (teachers/care takers are #1 reporters). Depression and mental illness climbing. Immune systems weakening due to lack of exposure to normal outside world.

A woman, a laid off casino worker, tried to kill herself in jail last night. DUI, drunk, emotional, tied her underwear around her neck until she turned blue and was cut down.

Covid-19 is preventing people from other diseases and illnesses. Not seeing the doctor over fear of exposures.

 

We're 5 weeks in. Can't get a stimulus check. People can't get through to receive their unemployment benefits. People already getting anxious. You don't want to see what 10 weeks looks like. Desperation, fight or flight will take over society.

What will you do to feed yourself? What is someone else capable to do to feed themselves, their children?

       

This is where I am at.  The economy will quickly become our number one concern.  No data from the Federal Reserve yet on Q1, but the payment networks (Visa and MC) have earnings calls on April 29.  They see the economy in real time.  They will address Q1 earnings and give guidance for Q2 (April is nearly in the books).  Both are going to show some ugly numbers.

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On 4/23/2020 at 10:02 AM, smltwnrckr said:

I dunno, all of it I guess. He makes a good case that at a certain point, it doesn't make sense to lock down the entire population when a disease specifically targets certain segments of that population in ways that seem to be predictable. It seems pretty clear we know who is at the highest and lowest risk for death and hospitalization. Seems to me it's reasonable to argue that there should be a point where the goal goes from preventing the spread to protecting the most vulnerable while allowing the least vulnerable to do their thing. 

I don't know why I thought you wrote UNreasonable. My bust.

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10 hours ago, sactowndog said:

We have to come together.  People are reaching out.  My offer to contribute to a go fund-me for your uncle still stands.   

Thank you, I appreciate it. As I said in my previous post he's a prideful man and when I brought up the idea of a go fund-me account he shot it down immediately. I gave him my stimulus check and I didn't take no for an answer. Hopefully by mid May we can open up again and he can get back to work. He's never been the type of person to stay home and sit on his hands, he needs to be working on something. 

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8 hours ago, CPslograd said:

By your own admission you are working out of your house and not doing sales calls.  People like you are on your high horse about Stay Home Save Lives, meanwhile the only reason you can do that is because others aren't.  

You seem to think it is somehow going to be sustainable for you to stay in a bubble while the people producing goods are not.  If you haven't noticed, the supply chain is stressed.  We are creating incentives for people not to go to work, which adds to the difficulty  in maintaining production.  Do you know how hard it is to get installers or techs to go to San Francisco or LA right now?  And you guys want to have white collar workers stay at home indefinitely and expect them to do their jobs?  Ridiculous.

You don’t know how I feel or what I’ve done because you don’t ask and you assume teams and shit is the be all.   You are the most “people like me person on this board”.

For the record, I still make sales calls remotely.  Is it sustainable forever?  Of course not, but myself and my customers work to adapt.  When something needs to be delivered uniquely or picked up from the bay, I go.   Most of my customers are software developers and testers who are also working from home.  In one case, I went to a guys house.   But I do it safely and with respect for our situation.   

I get windows/construction is a different model and it’s tougher to work remote.  For that I am truly sorry.   And I also hope we get quickly to the capability to test and trace so people can get back to work.   If you want to be mad at someone be mad at Trump who didn’t act with any urgency until it was affecting him.  Trump’s pathological selfishness cost us 6 weeks of this mess.   
 

 

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16 minutes ago, ridgeview2 said:

Thank you, I appreciate it. As I said in my previous post he's a prideful man and when I brought up the idea of a go fund-me account he shot it down immediately. I gave him my stimulus check and I didn't take no for an answer. Hopefully by mid May we can open up again and he can get back to work. He's never been the type of person to stay home and sit on his hands, he needs to be working on something. 

Tell him there is always time to pay it forward.   

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Not shocking that this has been floating around for nearly a week, yet no one has managed to post it here. Would anyone like to pit their credentials against these two Doctors? These two Doctors are saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING as me and a few others here, who have been trying to get through to some of you thick skulled know-it-all's with doctorates from MSNBC. 

These are their words. Not mine. Also, notice that they are not wearing masks in a room full of reporters and others. 

- The initial projected numbers we're grossly overstated and inaccurate.  

- The mortality rate for covid-19 is very low, around 0.03%, less lethal than the flu, which is 0.02 to 0.13.... "Millions of cases, small amount of deaths."

- Doctors and their colleagues have been pressured to label non-covid deaths, as coronavirus.

- There's a large populace of untested carriers. Actual infections are a multiple of the reported numbers (extrapolated numbers approx 64 million Americans) due to the contagious nature of the virus, lack of testing and FEAR

- Vaccines that do work, work due to herd immunity. If herd immunity works, then people, especially young and healthy people, need to be exposed to the virus as quickly as possible. That is how the immune system works, duh!

- Quarantines are for the sick, not the mass public of healthy people. And that covid is widespread, similar to the flu, and that is a good thing!

- There is more than a 90% chance of full recovery from covid without visiting a hospital.

 

Their conclusions come from their own research and data collection as well as public numbers. Not just 3rd party information.

They call Fauci "a disconnected academic, who operates from an ivory tower". 

They also repeatedly stated that, "this is microbiology and immunology 101, stuff we've been doing for years" and to "follow the science."

 

 

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56 minutes ago, NVGiant said:

I think that is true and pretty much the bottom line. If I could have my way, I would have Jeff Bezos in the warehouse with a tape gun in hand. But that is beside the point. we have to deal with reality. And right now we have two competing goals: to reopen the economy and to minimize the spread of the virus. So we have to do it this way, even if it isn’t exactly fair.

Who cares about fair.   I drive back and forth to Santa Clara.   You know where the first carrier was found.  The people in our office flat out don’t want me there as I increase their risk.   It’s about what is safe and smart not some outdated concept of teams.   But I agree with @NVGiant, if @CPslograd is so concerned for these people I expect he will be campaigning for better healthcare.   If not, I suspect it’s all team politics and he doesn’t really give a shit about these people.  

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6 minutes ago, qwelish said:

Not shocking that this has been floating around for nearly a week, yet no one has managed to post it here. Would anyone like to pit their credentials against these two Doctors? These two Doctors are saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING as me and a few others here, who have been trying to get through to some of you thick skulled know-it-all's with doctorates from MSNBC. 

These are their words. Not mine. Also, notice that they are not wearing masks in a room full of reporters and others. 

- The initial projected numbers we're grossly overstated and inaccurate.  

- The mortality rate for covid-19 is very low, around 0.03%, less lethal than the flu, which is 0.02 to 0.13.... "Millions of cases, small amount of deaths."

- Doctors and their colleagues have been pressured to label non-covid deaths, as coronavirus.

- There's a large populace of untested carriers. Actual infections are a multiple of the reported numbers (extrapolated numbers approx 64 million Americans) due to the contagious nature of the virus, lack of testing and FEAR

- Vaccines that do work, work due to herd immunity. If herd immunity works, then people, especially young and healthy people, need to be exposed to the virus as quickly as possible. That is how the immune system works, duh!

- Quarantines are for the sick, not the mass public of healthy people. And that covid is widespread, similar to the flu, and that is a good thing!

- There is more than a 90% chance of full recovery from covid without visiting a hospital.

 

Their conclusions come from their own research and data collection as well as public numbers. Not just 3rd party information.

They call Fauci "a disconnected academic, who operates from an ivory tower". 

They also repeatedly stated that, "this is microbiology and immunology 101, stuff we've been doing for years" and to "follow the science."

 

 

 

Dr. Daniel Erickson, DO is an emergency medicine specialist in Bakersfield, CA and has been practicing for 16 years. He graduated from Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences in 2004 and specializes in emergency medicine.

 

Where?

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3 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

 

Dr. Daniel Erickson, DO is an emergency medicine specialist in Bakersfield, CA and has been practicing for 16 years. He graduated from Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences in 2004 and specializes in emergency medicine.

 

Where?

You reply to a 50 minute video in under 10 minutes?

If you don't need data to make your conclusions, then you are espousing dogma, not science. 

Your mind is clearly made up. 

By the way, WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS again?

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1 minute ago, #1Stunner said:

 

Dr. Daniel Erickson, DO is an emergency medicine specialist in Bakersfield, CA and has been practicing for 16 years. He graduated from Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences in 2004 and specializes in emergency medicine.

 

Where?

Yeah. Appears he didn’t do enough quality research to go to Med School and earn his MD. 

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On 4/26/2020 at 7:54 AM, CPslograd said:

What do you guys make of this thing at the prison that 95% were asymptomatic?   It doesn't seem to jive with some of the other data we have.

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2270RX?

Same as with the Roosevelt that most are asymptomatic which makes testing and tracing more complicated.  You can’t rely on just fever checks.  

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1 minute ago, qwelish said:

Where did you earn your MD?

I didn’t but with a an MD daughter in law, DVM wife, PhD Father in law that taught in a Osteopathic medical school, I know the difference between an MD and an OD.   One of which is research.  

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9 minutes ago, qwelish said:

 

You reply to a 50 minute video in under 10 minutes?

If you don't need data to make your conclusions, then you are espousing dogma, not science. 

Your mind is clearly made up. 

By the way, WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS again?

I simply googled his credentials....

He is a DO (not a MD) and attended this school:  He is a graduate of Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences in 2004 and specializes in emergency medicine.

 

I've never heard of the school.  It could be a great place...I don't know.  Are they in the WAC?

I'll defer to @StanfordAggie if that is a great resume or not....

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6 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

I simply googled his credentials....

He is a DO (not a MD) and attended this school:  He is a graduate of Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences in 2004 and specializes in emergency medicine.

 

I've never heard of the school.  It could be a great place...I don't know.  Are they in the WAC?

I'll defer to @StanfordAggie if that is a great resume or not....

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25 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

I didn’t but with a an MD daughter in law, DVM wife, PhD Father in law that taught in a Osteopathic medical school, I know the difference between an MD and an OD.   One of which is research.  DO YOU??? Did you also sleep at a Holiday Inn last night???

About Dr. Dan W Erickson MD

Dr. Dan W Erickson, MD is a doctor primarily located in Bakersfield, CA. Their specialties include Emergency Medicine.

An emergency physician is a doctor who is an expert in handling conditions of an urgent and extremely dangerous nature. These specialists work in the emergency room (ER) departments of hospitals where they oversee cases involving cardiac distress, trauma, fractures, lacerations and other acute conditions.Emergency physicians are specially trained to make urgent life-saving decisions to treat patients during an emergency medical crisis. These doctors diagnose and stabilize patients before they are either well enough to be discharged, or transferred to the appropriate department for long-term care.

 

Dr. Daniel Erickson, MD

Family Physician

Marshfield, WI

Dr. Daniel Erickson, MD is a Family Physician in Marshfield, WI. Dr. Erickson completed their Medical School at University Of Wisconsin Medical Sch. Following their education, Dr. Erickson was board certified by the American Board of Family Medicine.

 

Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, co-owners of a chain of Accelerated Urgent Care facilities, say that after conducting more than 5,000 coronavirus tests they have come to the conclusion that COVID-19 is no more dangerous than a normal seasonal flu and quarantines are not making any difference in preventing its spread.

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