soupslam1 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, sactowndog said: Sure want to bet $500 on it. I’m game. How about $1,000? I’m sure @mugtang can be the middleman until I supply proof in the form of a statement from the nursery. You’re about to get your knuckles smacked with Mugtangs yard stick. Mine and Born on the Blue’s are still bloody and our bet didn’t even include money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsu_alum9 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: Edit: I also don’t see how that article was vague. It had links in practically every paragraph to the NYT, the Post, the WSJ, the BBC, newspaper outlets from Hong Kong and Singapore, peer reviewed medical journals; as well as the Chinese Press, Chinese agencies, and the WHO. Just that they are mostly about silencing journalists or doctors. You can’t criticize the government in China - do we know suddenly expect them to have a free press. That is different than jumping to Boris Johnson claiming they have 20x or whatever more cases and deaths. I get that China is shitty, but are they really undergoing a huge societal coverup of the epidemic, and is there proof of that coverup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugtang Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 56 minutes ago, sactowndog said: Sure want to bet $500 on it. I’m game. How about $1,000? I’m sure @mugtang can be the middleman until I supply proof in the form of a statement from the nursery. We’re not doing any stupid bets right now. Quote thelawlorfaithful, on 31 Dec 2012 - 04:01 AM, said:One of the rules I live by: never underestimate a man in a dandy looking sweater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, thelawlorfaithful said: It was a partnership. We hoped they’d become more like us, and in a market sense they did. In an ideological sense they did not. And now we’re paying for that miscalculation. But at the same time we can’t just shut it all off. When goods stop flowing across borders, armies, or in our case missiles, start. We clearly can’t trust them with our healthcare supplies among other vital things. But we can tolerate buying less essential goods. We’re gonna have to until a remarkable Gorbachev type figure gets into power and stumbles his way out of the ideology. There's an argument in there somewhere that a doctrine of mutually assured destruction is the ideal relationship between superpowers. I dont buy it, but it's in there. Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonkee Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, thelawlorfaithful said: He’s not a leftist, he’s an American. The "other Americans must lose" ethos is just so toxic. Really hope a leader can emerge to guide us out of that mindset. Might take a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPslograd Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, bsu_alum9 said: Just that they are mostly about silencing journalists or doctors. You can’t criticize the government in China - do we know suddenly expect them to have a free press. That is different than jumping to Boris Johnson claiming they have 20x or whatever more cases and deaths. I get that China is shitty, but are they really undergoing a huge societal coverup of the epidemic, and is there proof of that coverup? Look man, the numbers China is reporting are preposterous. If only 3000 people died they wouldn't have had a 17% drop in manufacturing. Gimme a break. Can you imagine how many just die from the flu in China with it's 1 billion population? I would guess at least 10,000 a month, so if they only lost 3k in Wuhan they wouldn't have locked down 60 million people and all the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smltwnrckr Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Maybe 20%. Where's that number come from? Quote Planning is an exercise of power, and in a modern state much real power is suffused with boredom. The agents of planning are usually boring; the planning process is boring; the implementation of plans is always boring. In a democracy boredom works for bureaucracies and corporations as smell works for skunk. It keeps danger away. Power does not have to be exercised behind the scenes. It can be open. The audience is asleep. The modern world is forged amidst our inattention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said: Where's that number come from? My ass. I have never met a religious antivaxer. I have met too many of the other type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, sactowndog said: Sure want to bet $500 on it. I’m game. How about $1,000? I’m sure @mugtang can be the middleman until I supply proof in the form of a statement from the nursery. You should be social distancing, not going out in public to win an internet argument. #flattenthecurve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPslograd Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: My ass. I have never met a religious antivaxer. I have met too many of the other type. I've met plenty of both tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: You should be social distancing, not going out in public to win an internet argument. #flattenthecurve Did I mention it was a vegetable garden. That I wore a mask and gloves and stripped and showered when I got home. Trust me I am extremely careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 42 minutes ago, mugtang said: We’re not doing any stupid bets right now. Damm. I was going to make it the loser donates to the charity of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, soupslam1 said: You’re about to get your knuckles smacked with Mugtangs yard stick. Mine and Born on the Blue’s are still bloody and our bet didn’t even include money. I’m not betting how many people are going to die and I was going to donate @halfmanhalfbronco‘s money to charity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawlorfaithful Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, smltwnrckr said: There's an argument in there somewhere that a doctrine of mutually assured destruction is the ideal relationship between superpowers. I dont buy it, but it's in there. I’m sure I’ve made it at some point. It leads to proxy wars, but most things are preferable to a nuclear exchange. The difference I see is we had the right of it in practice between markets and central planning. With China, they’re not as far off from us on economics as the Soviet Union was. We’re outgunned on the callousness to sacrifice lives and the sheer number of lives to spend. They make things, we pay for them. Keeping that relationship is central for how we’re built. Quote We’re all sitting in the dugout. Thinking we should pitch. How you gonna throw a shutout when all you do is bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, sactowndog said: Did I mention it was a vegetable garden. That I wore a mask and gloves and stripped and showered when I got home. Trust me I am extremely careful. Yeah I am sure some masked dude walking into a store demanding a written statement to win an internet argument is exactly what our retail workers need right now. Listen, you made up a storey on the internet. You are not the first guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactowndog Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said: Yeah I am sure some masked dude walking into a store demanding a written statement to win an internet argument is exactly what our retail workers need right now. Listen, you made up a storey on the internet. You are not the first guy. You say that now mug saved your ass. I was figuring out how much you could afford to donate to charity. They have phoned you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, sactowndog said: You say that now mug saved your ass. I was figuring out how much you could afford to donate to charity. They have phoned you know. Tell me about the time you met the Lochness monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupslam1 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, sactowndog said: I’m not betting how many people are going to die and I was going to donate @halfmanhalfbronco‘s money to charity. I warned you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSUTOP25 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Billings said: nah many religious like ny jewish community and far right churches nah — mostly anti-pharma, anti-corporate leftists in places like Cambridge and Somerville, MA who believe in natural therapies. Or maybe it simply depends on where we live and, like you say, our biases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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