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5 minutes ago, Bruininthebay said:

Navy might find they'll earn more as an independent but a six game scheduling agreement with the AAC would give them most of the benefits of their current non football .  Navy will negotiate a new TV agreement in 2028 and CBS will have money to spend on eastern time FBS football without the SEC, ACC or Big Ten. 

If BYU was able to exceed the AAC value on an annual payment basis, then Navy can absolutely do the same thing because their tradition is so significant in the history of college football.   A Navy schedule with five games with autonomous conference opponents, Air Force, Army and four AAC games is a very good schedule and likely worth more than what Navy can get in the AAC where they usually nly play one power 5 opponent each year unless they forgo an FCS opponent.

Navy returning to independent with a scheduling agreement for four games with the AAC would be the best outcome and likely result in more money for the AAC because the conference would divide by 10 instead of 12, even considering a tv package renegotiation based on two Navy road games each year rather than four.

 

Navy can't go for that.  They'd never be p6 again.

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1 minute ago, jdgaucho said:

 

I can see everyone being giddy over Rice hoops. 

Rice would be an amazing addition to the WCC

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Just now, #1Stunner said:

Who is the AAC looking to add, if not from CUSA?

The AAC has such long ties to CUSA.   I mean, your whole conference WAS CUSA just 7 years ago.

almost everyone in the aac has spent more time in the aac than they did in c-usa ..i dont get your "long ties" comment..smu spends 80years in the swc and 6 in c-usa and now they are defining them by c-usa (an example)

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3 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:

Dear God I hope not.  I agree with your assessment of everything about Rice structurally except you left out their football is atrocious.  

Rice looks like they have similar attendance to about half the MWC

Remember that CSU vs Boise game this year?

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1 minute ago, pesik said:

almost everyone in the aac has spent more time in the aac than they did in c-usa ..i dont get your "long ties" comment..smu spends 80years in the swc and 6 in c-usa and now they are defining them by c-usa (an example)

Why are you so ashamed of the AAC's Conference USA roots?

 

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Just now, #1Stunner said:

Rice looks like they have similar attendance to about half the MWC

 

 

 

 

 

 

The visual is skewed by the fact that Rice Stadium is huge.  But yeah, not great.

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5 minutes ago, pesik said:

almost everyone in the aac has spent more time in the aac than they did in c-usa ..i dont get your "long ties" comment..smu spends 80years in the swc and 6 in c-usa and now they are defining them by c-usa (an example)

Houston was a founding member of C-USA.  Sorta.  Time spent is not the question. AAC is CUSA 2.0. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, RSF said:

The visual is skewed by the fact that Rice Stadium is huge.  But yeah, not great.

Didn’t they renovate it a few years ago ... removing some stands and lowering capacity?

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3 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Rice looks like they have similar attendance to about half the MWC

Remember that CSU vs Boise game this year?

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Look at their record in football through the years. 

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3 hours ago, BSUFan said:

You may want to schedule mighty Tulane. Guess not. 

You might want to schedule a shrink to tackle that inferiority complex you're demonstrating.

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1 minute ago, BSUTOP25 said:

Didn’t they renovate it a few years ago ... removing some stands and lowering capacity?

Not really, they put tarps on the end zones.

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Just now, RSF said:

The visual is skewed by the fact that Rice Stadium is huge.  But yeah, not great.

Rice is really an oddball fit in the CUSA 2.0   They are the only Private school in their conference.

I can understand why they want out....  They don't fit.   Not sure about the academics of the rest of the CUSA....

But part of the problem is their own doing.  They need to increase their enrollment and grow their school.  They need to be the TCU of Houston.... (larger enrollment)

 

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Institution Location Founded Joined Enrollment Nickname Colors
University of Alabama at Birmingham Birmingham, Alabama 1969 1995[a 1] 21,923[11] Blazers          
Florida Atlantic University Boca Raton, Florida 1961 2013 29,772[12] Owls          
Florida International University University Park, Florida 1965 2013[a 2] 58,064[13] Panthers          
Louisiana Tech University Ruston, Louisiana 1894 2013 12,467[14] Bulldogs & Lady Techsters          
Marshall University Huntington, West Virginia 1837 2005 13,204[15] Thundering Herd          
Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, Tennessee 1911 2013 21,913[16] Blue Raiders          
University of North Carolina at Charlotte Charlotte, North Carolina 1946 2013[a 3] 29,710[17] 49ers          
University of North Texas Denton, Texas 1890 2013 38,087[18] Mean Green          
Old Dominion University Norfolk, Virginia 1930 2013[a 4] 24,176[19] Monarchs & Lady Monarchs[a 5]               
Rice University Houston, Texas 1912 2005 7,124[20] Owls          
University of Southern Mississippi Hattiesburg, Mississippi 1910 1995 14,509[21] Golden Eagles          
University of Texas at El Paso El Paso, Texas 1914 2005 25,151[22] Miners               
University of Texas at San Antonio San Antonio, Texas 1969 2013 30,674[23] Roadrunners               
Western Kentucky University Bowling Green, Kentucky 1906 2014[a 6] 19,456[24] Hilltoppers & Lady Toppers          
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University Affiliation Carnegie[41] Endowment[42] US News[43] Forbes[44]
University of Alabama at Birmingham Public (UA System) Research (Very High) N/A[d 1] 149 (National) 518
Florida Atlantic University Public (SUSF) Research (High) $270,933,875 RNP (National)[d 2] 536
Florida International University Public (SUSF) Research (Very High) $230,954,000 RNP (National)[d 2] 487
Louisiana Tech University Public (UL System) Research (High) N/A[d 1] 199 (National) 389
Marshall University Public Master's (Larger) $114,742,403 45 (Regional: South) N/A[d 3]
Middle Tennessee State University Public (TBR) Doctoral/Research $75,710,000 RNP (National)[d 2] 635
University of North Carolina at Charlotte Public (UNC System) Doctoral/Research $166,591,692 194 (National) 495
University of North Texas Public (UNT System) Research (High) $131,749,714 RNP (National)[d 2] 570
Old Dominion University Public Research (High) $240,900,000 210 (National)[d 2] 551
Rice University Private Research (Very High) $4,836,728,000 18 (National) 32
University of Southern Mississippi Public Research (High) $68,863,000 RNP (National)[d 2] 575
University of Texas at El Paso Public (UT System) Research (High) N/A[d 1] RNP (National)[d 2] 491
University of Texas at San Antonio Public (UT System) Research (High) N/A[d 1] RNP (National)[d 2] 642
Western Kentucky University Public Master's (Larger) $118,396,000 31 (Regional: South) 584
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1 hour ago, #1Stunner said:

I agree that these Texas programs aren't amazing...

But the problem with NDSU and Montana, etc, is that they'd have to want to move up from FCS to FBS.  There is nothing to suggest that they want to do this, or have the money to do this.  Montana probably has the most money, and they don't appear to be interested.  (A Montana vs Wyoming rivalry would be amazing).

in contrast, the Texas schools, all being FBS, could join tomorrow.   They already have MWC sized athletics budgets.   And, there are Hair's statements from 3-4 years ago, when he tried to persuade the Presidents to add Rice and UTEP (apparently both schools were interested)

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/12/11/9895720/conference-realignment-mountain-west-conference-usa-utep-rice

 

I guess the MWC could also contract.   But that depends on what the TV partners want and expect. 

I'm not sure why Montana is consistently being thrown into the conversation with NDSU.  NDSU has a bigger budget (by quite a bit), has a bigger brand and has had more consistent athletic success in the money sports over the past 10 years IMO.  We don't have new numbers that I am aware of, but  NDSU's athletic budget is likely at or near Nevada, SJSU and Utah State.  I would tend to believe that an FCS team with an athletic budget closer to a G5 average than an FCS average would certainly have some interest in moving up (money potential would dictate that from any business sense).

 

For 2017, total athletic budgets:

NDSU: $28 million

Montana: $21 million

FCS Average: $15 million.

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3 minutes ago, RSF said:

Yeah, because you're gonna get the P5, having just re-written the statute, to re-write it again.  Gook luck.  5-10%.

And Bullshit he's not sure.  That would be the dream scenario.

Why you got a waiver is perfectly logical.  Time.

Oh...he said it STERNLY.  Well, that changes everything....

And they're all options.  Go look up the word option.  Heck, I'll say you the effort.

 

 

op·tion
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  1. 1.
    a thing that is or may be chosen.
    "choose the cheapest options for supplying energy"

the dream sceneerio is a getting a legitimate 12th member like byu ...the interview i watched he says everyone prefers to go back to divisions and stay at 12...the dream scenario isnt get legislation change ..

also if there was no nye bowl at all (giving access to the g5) and i told you aresco said he was going to force the p5 to give us a slot, youd think i was insane and say i had no chance...but that is what happened, aresco is the sole and only reason the g5 slot in the ny6 exists, the original system had no g5 slot....

3 years ago the other 4 g4 conferences lead by the mwc attempted to lobby that navy not qualify for the g5 access slot or move the army game..as the army game was after g5 bowl selection...aresco got the ncaa to side with him and ignored the other g4 conferences.. you underestimate his influence 

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4 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:

Look at their record in football through the years. 

Yes, I agree...

Coaching is so huge for success...

There is no reason that they shouldn't be better than they are. 

 Part of it is probably systemic----they have too small of an enrollment, and too high of entrance requirements.   They are sort of like a Stanford academically, but without the elite reputation and good conference

 

I think if they got a better coach, and a better conference (MWC), they'd have more success.

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4 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Rice is really an oddball fit in the CUSA 2.0   They are the only Private school in their conference.

I can understand why they want out....  They don't fit.   Not sure about the academics of the rest of the CUSA....

But part of the problem is their own doing.  They need to increase their enrollment and grow their school.  They need to be the TCU of Houston.... (larger enrollment)

 

 

 

 

Doubtful.  Rice likes being small.  Fancies themselves the Ivy-like.  Probably not wrong.  And their HUGE endowment allows them to bring in the best students.

 

1 minute ago, pesik said:

the dream sceneerio is a getting a legitimate 12th member like byu ...the interview i watched he says everyone prefers to go back to divisions and stay at 12...the dream scenario isnt get legislation change ..

also if there was no nye bowl at all (giving access to the g5) and i told you aresco said he was going to force the p5 to give us a slot, youd think i was insane and say i had no chance...but that is what happened, aresco is the sole and only reason the g5 slot in the ny6 exists, the original system had no g5 slot....

3 years ago the other 4 g4 conferences lead by the mwc attempted to lobby that navy not qualify for the g5 access slot or move the army game..as the army game was after g5 bowl selection...aresco got the ncaa to side with him and ignored the other g4 conferences.. you underestimate his influence 

Did you even READ my post?  Jeebus...Cougar High.....

 

 

"also if there was no nye bowl at all (giving access to the g5) and i told you aresco said he was going to force the p5 to give us a slot, youd think i was insane and say i had no chance...but that is what happened, aresco is the sole and only reason the g5 slot in the ny6 exists, the original system had no g5 slot...."

 

 

Good Lord...is the sky blue in your world?

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5 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Yes, I agree...

Coaching is so huge for success...

There is no reason that they shouldn't be better than they are. 

 Part of it is probably systemic----they have too small of an enrollment, and too high of entrance requirements.   They are sort of like a Stanford academically, but without the elite reputation and good conference

 

I think if they got a better coach, and a better conference (MWC), they'd have more success.

I think you hit the nail on the head.  It is systematic.  Finding the right coach for a university like Rice is difficult because of the small enrollment and their enrollment standards.  I don't think joining the MW fixes any of that, so I don't think they would be a good choice for expansion.  

If you want a Texas university to grow then you need one that isn't tough to get into and has an administration that will place an emphasis on football and basketball.  Rice does not fit this category.  I'm not sure why Rice even sponsors football to be honest.  

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22 minutes ago, #1Stunner said:

Who is the AAC looking to add, if not from CUSA?

The AAC has such long ties to CUSA.   I mean, your whole conference WAS CUSA just 7 years ago.

All of the desirable CUSA teams are already in the AAC.

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1 minute ago, Wyobraska said:

I think you hit the nail on the head.  It is systematic.  Finding the right coach for a university like Rice is difficult because of the small enrollment and their enrollment standards.  I don't think joining the MW fixes any of that, so I don't think they would be a good choice for expansion.  

If you want a Texas university to grow then you need one that isn't tough to get into and has an administration that will place an emphasis on football and basketball.  

I used to have this belief until I watched Colorado School of Mines go from perennial athletic doormat to perennial athletic power once investment into athletic programs, facilities and recruitment was made.  

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2 minutes ago, Wyobraska said:

 

If you want a Texas university to grow then you need one that isn't tough to get into and has an administration that will place an emphasis on football and basketball...

Dont think Houston is available....

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