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7 hours ago, Wyobraska said:

This is a joke.  Republicans and Democrats should both be accountable for their roles in this trial and there should be sufficient ways to document this with today's technology.  Press like C-SPAN should have their normal access.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/19/business/media/senate-impeachment-trial-media.html

GOP fascism at its finest.

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1 hour ago, retrofade said:

GOP fascism at its finest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four

 

The Ministry of Truth (Newspeak: Minitrue) is the ministry of propaganda. As with the other ministries in the novel, the name Ministry of Truth is a misnomer because in reality it serves the opposite: it is responsible for any necessary falsification of historical events. However, like the other ministries, the name is also apt because it decides what "truth" is in Oceania.

As well as administering truth, the ministry spreads a new language amongst the populace called Newspeak, in which, for example, "truth" is understood to mean statements like 2 + 2 = 5 when the situation warrants. In keeping with the concept of doublethink, the ministry is thus aptly named in that it creates/manufactures "truth" in the Newspeak sense of the word. The book describes the doctoring of historical records to show a government-approved version of events.

Role in information[edit]

The Ministry of Truth is involved with news media, entertainment, the fine arts and educational books. Its purpose is to rewrite history to change the facts to fit Party doctrine for propaganda effect. For example, if Big Brother makes a prediction that turns out to be wrong, the employees of the Ministry of Truth correct the record to make it accurate. This is the "how" of the Ministry of Truth's existence. Within the novel, Orwell elaborates that the deeper reason for its existence, the "why", is to maintain the illusion that the Party is absolute. It cannot ever seem to change its mind (if, for instance, they perform one of their constant changes regarding enemies during war) or make a mistake (firing an official or making a grossly misjudged supply prediction), for that would imply weakness and to maintain power the Party must seem eternally right and strong.

Minitrue plays a role as the news media by changing history, and changing the words in articles about events current and past, so that Big Brother and his government are always seen in a good light and can never do any wrong. The content is more propaganda than actual news.

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The Washington Post has tracked over 16K lies by the president to date.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/

The National Archives is now sanitizing information to not offend Trump.  Altering records so the women's march wasn't about Trump.  The National Parks Service has been drug into the fray to lie about crowd sizes.  NOAA has been usurped to lie about the weather.  The national intelligence agencies have been enlisted to lie about intelligence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/museums/the-national-archives-used-to-stand-for-independence-that-mission-has-been-compromised/2020/01/18/5b524214-3a0d-11ea-bb7b-265f4554af6d_story.html

Stephanie Grisham doesn't do press conferences...only goes on Fox news to spread propaganda.

Guys, tell me how we aren't on the cusp of decending into facism.  Tell me how constitution is setup to prevent such things and that there are people who will stand up for the constitution instead of a dictator who can't win a national popular election.  Maduro had a nice constitution too but his judges decided to be a rubber stamp and the national legislature neutered itself.

This kinda seems like how 1983 may have felt as the Ministry of Truth was just getting going.  Big Brother Trump with the ministers of propoganda controlling and sanitizing the cameras of the impeachment.  The mindless conjobs will repeat 2+2=5 on command...you have all seen it.

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On 1/18/2020 at 6:19 PM, sactowndog said:

Let’s see, prison population by race 

Black 37.6%
Hispanic 32.0%
Native Amer 2.3%
Asian 1.5%
 

that totals 74.3% so it is hardly a stretch, divisive or racists to point out 3/4 likelihood those prisoners are a person of color while the Republican Party is an equally high percent white male.   
 

but I will agree Trump is doing his best to narrow the gap! 

Nice deflection. “Fine lilly white Congressman”. C’mon dude admit it, you’re a racist. 

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1 hour ago, soupslam1 said:

Nice deflection. “Fine lilly white Congressman”. C’mon dude admit it, you’re a racist. 

Not at all.   I just think if an indicted or convicted person is admissible evidence like in most trials it should be in Trumps Senate Trial. .   

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6 hours ago, retrofade said:

GOP fascism at its finest.

Gotta do everything possible to facilitate Mr. Grumpy claiming "full exoneration" when it's over. Just refusing to allow any witnesses to be called may not be enough.

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Lol... Trump just added a bunch of screamers to his Impeachment team.

 

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3 minutes ago, retrofade said:

Lol... Trump just added a bunch of screamers to his Impeachment team.

 

No Nunes?

Aw, too bad.

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1 minute ago, toonkee said:

No Nunes?

Aw, too bad.

I think that Nunes has been too personally implicated at this point to have any purpose in an impeachment defense, even if it is just screaming and threatening lawsuits.

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Just now, retrofade said:

I think that Nunes has been too personally implicated at this point to have any purpose in an impeachment defense, even if it is just screaming and threatening lawsuits.

Yes.

I'm f****ng with you Ted.

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Woah...

 

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1 hour ago, retrofade said:

Woah...

 

Won’t happen as long as Whitewash Mitch is in Charge of the Trial....

I have two thoughts on this 

1). Nancy played this impeachment horribly by rushing the case and she should have waited for Bolton and others to be forced to testify by the courts. @thelawlorfaithful ‘s position

2)  Nancy played this impeachment brilliantly by forcing McConnell into a whitewash cover-up for Trump and putting Senators in swing states in a tough spot.   23 GOP Senators are up for re-election and everyone is going to spend lots of time defending their role in this sham trial.   
 

can’t tell for sure what way I feel. 

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15 hours ago, retrofade said:

Lol... Trump just added a bunch of screamers to his Impeachment team.

For Mr. Grumpy the former reality TV star, it's all about social media look. And if independents are as lazy about informing themselves about the issues as Republicans appear to be, that's a great strategy. Of course, if Trump actually cares about how he's viewed historically, it's a terrible strategy because having a bunch of bomb throwers supporting him will not be viewed favorably by people who will be more able to see the forest for the trees.

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55 minutes ago, sactowndog said:

Won’t happen as long as Whitewash Mitch is in Charge of the Trial....

I have two thoughts on this 

1). Nancy played this impeachment horribly by rushing the case and she should have waited for Bolton and others to be forced to testify by the courts. @thelawlorfaithful ‘s position

2)  Nancy played this impeachment brilliantly by forcing McConnell into a whitewash cover-up for Trump and putting Senators in swing states in a tough spot.   23 GOP Senators are up for re-election and everyone is going to spend lots of time defending their role in this sham trial.   
 

can’t tell for sure what way I feel. 

Of course not and the House Dems know that. It's just one more bullet point which the Dems can include in their post-not guilty rebuttal.

Besides which, Cippolone has shown himself to be an incompetent dolt so his participation isn't going to help Trump in any event.

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McConnell & GOP might take this whole thing out of the public realm :foottap:

 

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

Won’t happen as long as Whitewash Mitch is in Charge of the Trial....

I have two thoughts on this 

1). Nancy played this impeachment horribly by rushing the case and she should have waited for Bolton and others to be forced to testify by the courts. @thelawlorfaithful ‘s position

2)  Nancy played this impeachment brilliantly by forcing McConnell into a whitewash cover-up for Trump and putting Senators in swing states in a tough spot.   23 GOP Senators are up for re-election and everyone is going to spend lots of time defending their role in this sham trial.   
 

can’t tell for sure what way I feel. 

My position is #3, we don't know how well anyone has played anything yet.  We have Nancy and Mitch, who both schemed and politicked their way to the top of their respective piles over decades. I'm going to give them both the benefit of the doubt that they're both being clever and deliberate until we can view this whole thing with a bit of hindsight.

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1 hour ago, sactowndog said:

Won’t happen as long as Whitewash Mitch is in Charge of the Trial....

I have two thoughts on this 

1). Nancy played this impeachment horribly by rushing the case and she should have waited for Bolton and others to be forced to testify by the courts. @thelawlorfaithful ‘s position

2)  Nancy played this impeachment brilliantly by forcing McConnell into a whitewash cover-up for Trump and putting Senators in swing states in a tough spot.   23 GOP Senators are up for re-election and everyone is going to spend lots of time defending their role in this sham trial.   
 

can’t tell for sure what way I feel. 

It was brilliant because there was no way they were going to convict anyway and now everyone gets to see what traiterous senators will defy the constitution.  Nancy can always say "well they said they didn't have enough evidence so we will pursue the documents and witnesses the senate wouldn't request" and re-open the inquiry to request specific witnesses through the courts.  It will be good for the american people to have an ongoing coverup similar to the tax return coverup when they go vote for the senators who aided the coverup.  If they wouldn't have rushed the senators would have been able to hide and not take a vote until after the election.

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