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So, when we beat UCF up and down the field are we gonna hear how we should of played Memphis or Cincinnati?

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5 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

Tulsa has 14 games scheduled with B12 and SEC (Oklahoma U, Oklahoma State, and Arkansas) over the next 8 years.  But Houston has only 3 games with Texas Tech and Kansas during that same time span and no other B12 or SEC team scheduled.  Pity.

 

When did Vanderbilt leave the SEC?  And the Pac 12, I guess doesnt count.  And Tulsa only has 12 P5 games in the next 8 years (UH has 10).  Learn to count.

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5 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

Aresco is a tireless and energetic spokesman for AAC.  AAC has four ranked teams and that is with perennial powers UCF and Houston having down years. 

 

Perennial.  Thats funny.

 

5 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

Regarding marketplace by which I assume is a reference to the conference TV contract, Aresco points out that PAC makes about half of B1G....but PAC is not excluded from P5 based on money considerations.  Aresco also points out that the AAC has outperformed the old Big East which had BCS status.  None of the old Big East teams are ranked today except Cincinnati but AAC has four ranked teams.  The man is tireless and full of energy. Aresco's strategy is to win the P6 argument in the public arena with a sense of fair play....and not let P5 get away with its monopolistic powers in back room deals.

 

The Pac 12 makes 7x the money the AAC does.  Thats why they are INcluded.

The AAC never outperformed the old Big East, which had Miami, VaTech, etc.

There is no P6 argument.  

 

5 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

On this issue of fair play that Areco is arguing, it appears an unranked Wake Forest is headed to the Orange Bowl.  That's not fair! I am sure Aresco will hit on that.

 

Nobody will listen.  Nobody will care.

 

And Wake Forest is ranked currently.  The Orange Bowl can choose whomever they want to replace Clemson, if it is necessary.  Because thats who they wanted - the ACC.  Not the AAC.  More of that marketplace stuff.

 

5 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

Aresco is getting public attention on this issue, that's for sure.  Aresco sure has your attention, and that's for sure too.

 

He's getting no attention.  And I'm just having fun shooting holes in your arguments.  Fish in a barrel and all that.  It's a nice little time waster.  So thanks.

 

 

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3 hours ago, RSF said:

Oklahoma State, 8 games, 4 @Tulsa and 4 @Stillwater

Oklahoma, 3 games, 1 @Tulsa and 2 @Norman

Arkansas, 3 games, 1 @Tulsa and 2 @Fayetteville.

8 + 3 +3 = 14 games and not 12.

Oklahoma State and Tulsa in 2019, 2020, and 2021 are a previous contract, one game in Tulsa (2019) and two games in Stillwater (2020 and 2021).  It was at this point that Tulsa informed OSU that Tulsa would only do home and home in the future.....and OSU relented and did the 8 game deal, 4 home and 4 away.  The 8 game contract begins in 2024.

Historically, the largest home attendance for OSU have been Oklahoma U and Tulsa.  OSU, OU, and Arkansas will bring fans to Tulsa.  But don't forget Tulsa will bring fans to OSU, OU, and Arkansas.  Its a good deal for everyone around.

These games against our nearby P5 rivals are the most important games for Tulsa.  They are important for exposure in the state and region.  They are important financially.  They are important for recruiting in the state and area.

That is why I have not listed the other P5 games Tulsa has scheduled in this thread.  But, of course, they are very important too.  I am glad Houston was able to schedule PAC teams since they couldn't get close by B12 and SEC teams on the schedule as Tulsa has.

I did not find Wake Forest in the AP or Coaches Poll.

The Big East retained its BCS status after the departure of Miami, Va Tech, and I think Boston College.  It was after the ACC came back a second time to take Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville that everything collapsed for old Big East football.

As of today, Miami, Va Tech, Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and Louisville are not ranked.  The only former Big East school that is ranked is AAC member Cincinnati.

If PAC's TV contract is 7 times higher than ACC, then the PAC TV contract would have to be $49M annually per PAC school which is of course incorrect.

 

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18 hours ago, RSF said:

Perennial.  Thats funny.

 

The Pac 12 makes 7x the money the AAC does.  Thats why they are INcluded.

The AAC never outperformed the old Big East, which had Miami, VaTech, etc.

There is no P6 argument.  

 

Nobody will listen.  Nobody will care.

 

And Wake Forest is ranked currently.  The Orange Bowl can choose whomever they want to replace Clemson, if it is necessary.  Because thats who they wanted - the ACC.  Not the AAC.  More of that marketplace stuff.

 

He's getting no attention.  And I'm just having fun shooting holes in your arguments.  Fish in a barrel and all that.  It's a nice little time waster.  So thanks.

 

 

The Pac12 makes 7 times what the AAC makes?   Not sure how you got there.  They are closer to 10 times the current AAC money in 2019, but that gap will fall to just 3X in 2020.  For the record, the Pac12 gets about 20 million a team from media deals with FOX and ESPN. They only make an extra million or two each from the Pac12 network.  That’s nowhere near 49 million each.  The Big10 doesnt  even make that much from media.  In the old BCS system, the other AQ conference teams were making 15 million each or so from media while the Big East teams only made about 4 million each.  So, a gap of 3-4X between power conferences is not unprecedented.  

That said, the difference in media pay is probably the easiest hurdle for the AAC to clear to be considered a power conference.  Major bowl access, average attendance, and autonomous powers are all much tougher hills to climb in its effort to be considered a power conference.  It’s nowhere near where it needs to be in those categories.  

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38 minutes ago, CaffeinatedCoog said:

The Pac12 makes 7 times what the AAC makes?   Not sure how you got there.  They are closer to 10 times the current AAC money in 2019, but that gap will fall to just 3X in 2020.  For the record, the Pac12 gets about 20 million a team from media deals with FOX and ESPN. They only make an extra million or two each from the Pac12 network.  That’s nowhere near 49 million each.  The Big10 doesnt  even make that much from media.  In the old BCS system, the other AQ conference teams were making 15 million each or so from media while the Big East teams only made about 4 million each.  So, a gap of 3-4X between power conferences is not unprecedented.  

That said, the difference in media pay is probably the easiest hurdle for the AAC to clear to be considered a power conference.  Major bowl access, average attendance, and autonomous powers are all much tougher hills to climb in its effort to be considered a power conference.  It’s nowhere near where it needs to be in those categories.  

MWC, with Utah, BYU, and TCU, was banging on the doors for BCS status and no one thought that was unreasonable.  MWC' case was never scoffed at for being unreasonable.  So I don't think that, given what AAC has accomplished so far, that Aresco pushing the P6 narrative is unreasonable.

Aresco just stated, in a very recent interview, that a football only school would be considered for AAC membership.  While Aresco has also stated that AAC is not out inviting schools to apply to join like the B12 circus, the statement that a football only school would be considered for AAC membership is obviously aimed at BYU, Boise State, and San Diego State.  Any one of these three schools would strengthen AAC's case for P6 status.

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1 minute ago, Tulsa Guy said:

MWC, with Utah, BYU, and TCU, was banging on the doors for BCS status and no one thought that was unreasonable.  MWC' case was never scoffed at for being unreasonable.  So I don't think that, given what AAC has accomplished so far, that Aresco pushing the P6 narrative is unreasonable cause.

Aresco just stated, in a recent interview, that a football only school would be considered for AAC membership.  While Aresco has also stated that AAC is not out inviting schools to apply to join like the B12 circus, the statement that a football only school would be considered for AAC membership is obviously aimed at BYU, Boise State, and San Diego State.  Any one of these three schools would strengthen AAC's case for P6 status.

The AAC is not nearly as good as the MWC with TCU and Utah.  They don't have a program at the top as good as those teams, or remotely close actually.

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11 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

The AAC is not nearly as good as the MWC with TCU and Utah.  They don't have a program at the top as good as those teams, or remotely close actually.

AAC has two teams that were in NY6 bowls and may now possibly have a third in either Memphis or Cincinnati.  So the AAC is not only performing at the level/exceeding old Big East but the MWC with TCU, Utah, and BYU.  And, for the record, SMU beat TCU this year and is currently ranked #20 and 4-5 TCU is no where to be found.

Most people, including yours truly, did not realize how good the AAC would become.  The Memphis/SMU game with its 60,000 attendance and 2.9M TV audience amazes me and is something that TCU, BYU, and Utah never achieved while in MWC.

 

 

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On 11/10/2019 at 5:23 PM, Ibanez said:

 And UCF doesnt have the balls to sign a 2-1 with Florida. UCF is pathetic. They are four hours or less from three power schools.

The politics are more complicated than you’re acknowledging.  Plus it’s UF that won’t do the 2-1.  They want two in Gainesville and one neutral site game.  No school that’s selling out season tickets will agree to those terms, it doesn’t make sense.

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12 minutes ago, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

The politics are more complicated than you’re acknowledging.  Plus it’s UF that won’t do the 2-1.  They want two in Gainesville and one neutral site game.  No school that’s selling out season tickets will agree to those terms, it doesn’t make sense.

I completely forgot that the third game was supposed to be at a neutral site.  My bad.  Thanks for the reminder. I believe UCF is not only selling out its stadium but is considering plans to expand by 10,000 in the near future.  Is that correct?

Many Tulsa fans considered UCF their main rival in the old CUSA.  UCF won two conference championships.  Tulsa won two conference championships.  UCF and Tulsa were the only two schools to win two conference championships.  Tulsa won both of its Liberty Bowl games and UCF went 1-1 there.  I attended that first UCF/Tulsa Conference Championship game in Orlando some years ago.  The attendance was 51,000 and the stadium rocked.

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Tulsa and UCF have a history but you guys need to pick your shit up across the board.  With UConn gone you guys are the conference anchor.  Good game the other day, whatever voodoo you have going on at home works.  

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31 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

AAC has two teams that were in NY6 bowls and may now possibly have a third in either Memphis or Cincinnati.  So the AAC is not only performing at the level/exceeding old Big East but the MWC with TCU, Utah, and BYU.  And, for the record, SMU beat TCU this year and is currently ranked #20 and 4-5 TCU is no where to be found.

Most people, including yours truly, did not realize how good the AAC would become.  The Memphis/SMU game with its 60,000 attendance and 2.9M TV audience amazes me and is something that TCU, BYU, and Utah never achieved while in MWC.

 

 

 

Not even close.  There is not a single AAC program that is even in the same sentence as those two programs were.  What TCU is doing now has nothing to do with that.  Hell, you don't even have a program comparable to Boise and Boise is down from where they were.

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2 minutes ago, Did I hear a WOOSH? said:

Tulsa and UCF have a history but you guys need to pick your shit up across the board.  With UConn gone you guys are the conference anchor.  Good game the other day, whatever voodoo you have going on at home works.  

Tulsa solved last year's problem of not having a QB or WRs.  But this year, Tulsa opened with an offensive line with one senior, three redshirt sophmores, and one redshirt freshman.  Tulsa has been one of the most penalized teams in the nation primarily because of the young and inexperienced offensive line, false starts, holding, ineligible receiver down field, chop blocking, and the center hiking the ball over the QB's head.  This young offensive line is slowly getting better.  The other and most major problem is the field goal kicker.  Tulsa has verballed a good FG kicker for 2020.  So, hopefully, Tulsa can better compete next year.  So a maturing offensive line and the current FG kicker DID make a field goal in the UCF game....and that was the Voo Doo UCF encountered.  Tulsa is 5-0 against UCF in Tulsa and 7-1 in the last 8 games against UCF.  The all time record is 8 wins for Tulsa and 3 wins for UCF.

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35 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

AAC has two teams that were in NY6 bowls and may now possibly have a third in either Memphis or Cincinnati.  So the AAC is not only performing at the level/exceeding old Big East but the MWC with TCU, Utah, and BYU.  And, for the record, SMU beat TCU this year and is currently ranked #20 and 4-5 TCU is no where to be found.

Most people, including yours truly, did not realize how good the AAC would become.  The Memphis/SMU game with its 60,000 attendance and 2.9M TV audience amazes me and is something that TCU, BYU, and Utah never achieved while in MWC.

 

 

Also, you are an idiot.  BYU had 60k+ at nearly every home game for half a decade.  

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39 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

The Memphis/SMU game with its 60,000 attendance and 2.9M TV audience amazes me and is something that TCU, BYU, and Utah never achieved while in MWC.

 

 

We did, actually.  Game Day (one of TWO CGDs that year - on campus - a prime time game, and a record shattering SRO crowd.  And then we kicked ass on our way to a #3 ranking.  Have any AAC schools make it to #3?  how about twice?  I'll hang up and listen.

 

 

 

Fish in a barrel.

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9 minutes ago, halfmanhalfbronco said:

Also, you are an idiot.  BYU had 60k+ at nearly every home game for half a decade.  

Although they historically have had good attendance, BYU has been struggling of late but still draws large crowds.  I hope that someday BYU is in AAC.

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14 minutes ago, RSF said:

We did, actually.  Game Day - on campus - a prime time game, and a record shattering SRO crowd.  And then we kicked ass on our way to a #3 ranking.  Did any AAC schools make it to #3?

So what was the number of fans for the record setting SRO crowd? What was the TV viewership?

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On 11/10/2019 at 4:49 PM, Tulsa Guy said:

Florida U holds all the cards.  Florida U, Florida State, and Miami are P5.  To be part of the conversation, UCF needs to schedule all three schools.  Swallow your pride and do a 2-1 with the Gators.  UCF doesn' have to beat all 3 schools for a series of years.  Just play them and get some Ws and be part of the conversation.

Florida is currently ranked #10 in the nation.  Only LSU, Alabama, and Georgia are ranked above Florida in the SEC.  Play Florida and beat them.....and, in essence, UCF would have the status of #4 in SEC ahead of 10 other SEC teams and #10 in the nation.  But, first, UCF has got to get the Gators on their schedule.

Ditto for Boise State 2-1 deal with #7 Oregon.  Let BSU beat Oregon, the PAC's #1 team, and that makes the Broncos top dog of the PAC 12.

Let's face reality here.  These nonconference P5 games, whether 1-1 or 2-1, are better and much more meaningful and generate much more fan interest and money than the end of season bowl games where we P5 guys essentially play our fellow P5 colleagues.....or the bottom of the toilet #9 conference P5 team.

 

Uh, Boise has already beaten Oregon when they were the Pac 12 champ and have another upcoming series with them. Don't bring Boise into this... UCF is the big giant vagina here.

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11 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

Although they historically have had good attendance, BYU has been struggling of late but still draws large crowds.  I hope that someday BYU is in AAC.

And that has what to do with your inaccurate statement?

 

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