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6 minutes ago, nocoolnamejim said:

That's a decent point. While I'm at it, I'll check out Tulsa's football record over the last couple of decades.

Any team who wanted to could go into Texas tomorrow and recruit and sign 20 kids. How many players you sign from a state is less important than the quality of players. Glancing back at last year, Tulsa was 2-9 against FBS schools with one of those wins being against Uconn. The year further back you were 2-10.

Are we done here?

The really sad part is Tulsa has quality players.  Ask WY and SJSU.  It always comes down to the coach and unfortunately the TU coach is not very good.  He has recruited well enough to win.  But he cannot coach well.

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31 minutes ago, boisewitha-s said:

I salute our two aac trolls. Good effort tonight. 

The MWC media went wild with joy following the Denver Airport meeting.  But many observers outside of MWC geography shook their heads with disbelief.  The old Big 8 had powerhouse Oklahoma and was known as Oklahoma and the 7 dwarfs.  Then it was Oklahoma and Nebraska and the 6 dwarfs.  But when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and established a conference championship game, it shook the Big 8 to the core.  The Big 8 knew it had to expand its geography to add population, i.e., tv viewers if the Big 8 schools were to survive.  Why WAC-16 leadership did not pick up what winds were blowing and swirling around them, I just don't understand.  MWC, even with BSU, is having problems that became much, much worse after the Denver Airport meeting. Boise essentially repeated the Denver Airport mistake.

The MWC can still do things to help itself.  For example, foolish pride has made MWC to not allow BYU put its olympic sports in MWC.  That's dumb.  Its cutting off your nose to spite your face. 

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1 minute ago, Tulsa Guy said:

The really sad part is Tulsa has quality players.  Ask WY and SJSU.  It always comes down to the coach and unfortunately the TU coach is not very good.  He has recruited well enough to win.  But he cannot coach well.

 

1 minute ago, Tulsa Guy said:

The MWC media went wild with joy following the Denver Airport meeting.  But many observers outside of MWC geography shook their heads with disbelief.  The old Big 8 had powerhouse Oklahoma and was known as Oklahoma and the 7 dwarfs.  Then it was Oklahoma and Nebraska and the 6 dwarfs.  But when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and established a conference championship game, it shook the Big 8 to the core.  The Big 8 knew it had to expand its geography to add population, i.e., tv viewers if the Big 8 schools were to survive.  Why WAC-16 leadership did not pick up what winds were blowing and swirling around them, I just don't understand.  MWC, even with BSU, is having problems that became much, much worse after the Denver Airport meeting. Boise essentially repeated the Denver Airport mistake.

Lol Tulsa athletics. 

"but we only lost to Stanford by 3."

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14 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

The really sad part is Tulsa has quality players.  Ask WY and SJSU.  It always comes down to the coach and unfortunately the TU coach is not very good.  He has recruited well enough to win.  But he cannot coach well.

after his first couple seasons I had hope he would be a solid coach...now it looks like he's a mediocre coach who did OK with Blankenship's kids.

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2 hours ago, bigd said:

This isn't true, both USU and SJSU were added after BSU and SDSU left for the AAC. We added both of you to get back to 10, and continue to sponsor baseball.

Uhhh No. You are omitting that we were invited several months after TCU  accepted their invite to the Big 12. Once TCU snubbed the Big East rumors immediately began to circulate that Boise and SDSU would stay in the MWC. I recall most talking heads (and posters on here) were already assuming they would stay and that SJSU and USU would be the 11th and 12th schools, not the 8th and 9th. Had the 12 team requirement not been in place the MWC could have very easily just waited on Boise and SDSU to officially announce they were staying, then we would not be needed. SJSU and USU weren’t going anywhere, so it’s not like the MWC had a deadline.

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2 minutes ago, Ibanez said:

OK.  Mugtang. It's time to ban this troll. His shit is officially stale and he adds nothing to this board.

Trolling is not against board rules here, unlike the gaping vaginas over at the AAC board we have the ability to self moderate  

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Air Force @ Tulsa

Tulane @ Air Force

Air Force @ SMU

Navy @ Air Force

Air Force @ Houston

Cincy @ Air Force

Air Force @ Memphis

South Florida @ Air Force

this would be a typical conference schedule for Air Force...I think they would like that. (I know we would)

 

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48 minutes ago, UofMTigers said:

Air Force @ Tulsa

Tulane @ Air Force

Air Force @ SMU

Navy @ Air Force

Air Force @ Houston

Cincy @ Air Force

Air Force @ Memphis

South Florida @ Air Force

this would be a typical conference schedule for Air Force...I think they would like that. (I know we would)

 

Lol. Yawn fest. 

"but we only lost to Stanford by 3."

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10 hours ago, Wyovanian said:

AND it would put one of the world's top wine production education programs in the MW!!!:thumbsup:

Very, very true re the wine production education. By far the best in North America.

As to the AAC they already have the same situation with Navy and it has both helped their program and Navy's pocketbook. I am more worried who we could get to replace AFA in football. We might have to settle for one of the CUSA Texas schools. I hope not.

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3 hours ago, 1066 said:

Very, very true re the wine production education. By far the best in North America.

As to the AAC they already have the same situation with Navy and it has both helped their program and Navy's pocketbook. I am more worried who we could get to replace AFA in football. We might have to settle for one of the CUSA Texas schools. I hope not.

Fret not. I guarantee this is all much ado about nothing. It was Howdy Doody humblebrag that probably resulted in a "conversation" with his AD.

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7 hours ago, Tulsa Guy said:

The MWC media went wild with joy following the Denver Airport meeting.  But many observers outside of MWC geography shook their heads with disbelief.  The old Big 8 had powerhouse Oklahoma and was known as Oklahoma and the 7 dwarfs.  Then it was Oklahoma and Nebraska and the 6 dwarfs.  But when the SEC expanded to 12 teams and established a conference championship game, it shook the Big 8 to the core.  The Big 8 knew it had to expand its geography to add population, i.e., tv viewers if the Big 8 schools were to survive.  Why WAC-16 leadership did not pick up what winds were blowing and swirling around them, I just don't understand.  MWC, even with BSU, is having problems that became much, much worse after the Denver Airport meeting. Boise essentially repeated the Denver Airport mistake.

The MWC can still do things to help itself.  For example, foolish pride has made MWC to not allow BYU put its olympic sports in MWC.  That's dumb.  Its cutting off your nose to spite your face. 

This is verbatim one of the posts that CUSATallgrass used to post here. Someone came here some time back and said that he had passed away but I am seriously doubting that now. 

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17 hours ago, UNLV2001 said:

IF AF wants out, good luck - Football will be missed, but not sure the rest of AF's programs will be all that missed - If the MWC added NMSU, it would be an upgrade for oly sports 

 

¿Why add NMSU?  ¿Why not ditch CSU-José & go to 10?

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8 hours ago, SalinasSpartan said:

Uhhh No. You are omitting that we were invited several months after TCU  accepted their invite to the Big 12. Once TCU snubbed the Big East rumors immediately began to circulate that Boise and SDSU would stay in the MWC. I recall most talking heads (and posters on here) were already assuming they would stay and that SJSU and USU would be the 11th and 12th schools, not the 8th and 9th. Had the 12 team requirement not been in place the MWC could have very easily just waited on Boise and SDSU to officially announce they were staying, then we would not be needed. SJSU and USU weren’t going anywhere, so it’s not like the MWC had a deadline.

Interesting, this isn't how I remember it but maybe you're correct. According to these links, USU and SJSU were added May 4th, 2012, and Boise and SDSU returned to the MWC in late December/early January of the next year.

http://www.usu.edu/today/index.cfm?id=51129

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-xpm-2012-12-31-hc-big-east-boise-state-0101-20121231-story.html

 

I guess the rest is only speculation on whether people thought Boise and SDSU would return. But I remember that at the time I didn't, and the MW didn't feel safe only having 8 members (and not enough to continue fielding baseball).

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11 hours ago, UofMTigers said:

Aresco says a lot of things.

He also said this:

If the waiver request is denied, however, Aresco told reporters before Saturday's game between Memphis and Temple that the AAC would have to consider expansion due to the importance of holding a football championship game moving forward.

 

 

He also said this - which will never happen, cuz all the Power 5 schools - the ones who created the new rules - will vote against it.

“If we do get it, we would move quickly towards trying to get legislation permanently to do what we need to do, which is play at 11 teams and still maintain an eight-game conference schedule,” Aresco said.

 

 

We'll see.

 

 

The original rule.  No waivers needed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_Athletic_Conference#Role_in_Division_I_conference_realignment

 

Role in Division I conference realignment[edit]

The PSAC played a little-known but nonetheless significant role in the history of NCAA Division I conference realignment. In 1986, the conference was seeking a way out of a football scheduling conundrum. The PSAC had 14 members at the time, and had been split into divisions for decades. One of the methods it historically used to determine a football champion involved a championship game between the winners of its two divisions. However, due to NCAA limits on regular-season games, every PSAC team had to leave a schedule spot open, with only the two division winners getting to play all of their allowed regular-season games. Then-conference commissioner Tod Eberle asked Dick Yoder, then athletic director at West Chester and member of the Division II council, to draft NCAA legislation that would allow the PSAC to play a conference title game that would be exempt from regular-season limits. The initial draft required that a qualifying league have 14 members and play a round-robin schedule within each division; only the PSAC then qualified.[10]

Before Yoder formally introduced the proposal, he was approached by the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association, which was interested in co-sponsoring the legislation because it was also split into football divisions and wanted the option of a championship game. Since the CIAA then had 12 members, Yoder changed the legislation to require 12 members instead of 14. Although at the time all NCAA legislation had to be approved by the entire membership, regardless of divisional alignment, the proposal passed with little notice. It was generally seen as a non-issue by Division I-A (now FBS) schools since no conference in that group then had more than 10 members. While the PSAC planned to stage its first exempt title game in 1988, it decided against doing so at that time because the D-II playoffs expanded from 8 to 16 teams that season, and it feared that the result of a title game could cost the league a playoff berth. The new NCAA rule would not see its first use until the Southeastern Conference took advantage of it by expanding to 12 members in 1991 and launching a title game the following year. In 2014, Sports Illustrated writer Andy Staples said that the rule "helped dictate the terms of conference realignment for more than 20 years."[10]

 

 

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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33 minutes ago, RSF said:

Aresco says a lot of things.

He also said this:

If the waiver request is denied, however, Aresco told reporters before Saturday's game between Memphis and Temple that the AAC would have to consider expansion due to the importance of holding a football championship game moving forward.

 

If the AAC was forced to add a 12th school, I would invite BYU with two caveats:  (1)  There is no entry fee.  (2)  There is no exit fee and BYU can leave AAC anytime it wants.  A one day notification is all that is necessary for BYU to leave and there is no deadline date during the calendar year to do so.

Both BYU and UCF have to get it out of their heads that the B12 is going to expand to 12 teams when the current B12 TV contract runs out in a few years.  This strategy would allow BYU to have its cake (AAC) and eat it too (possibly receiving a B12 invite.)

If BYU did not receive a B12 invite, then BYU in AAC would strengthen the argument being made by Aresco for AAC to be an automatic qualifier for the proposed expansion of the national playoff to 8 teams.

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45 minutes ago, bigd said:

Interesting, this isn't how I remember it but maybe you're correct. According to these links, USU and SJSU were added May 4th, 2012, and Boise and SDSU returned to the MWC in late December/early January of the next year.

http://www.usu.edu/today/index.cfm?id=51129

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-xpm-2012-12-31-hc-big-east-boise-state-0101-20121231-story.html

 

I guess the rest is only speculation on whether people thought Boise and SDSU would return. But I remember that at the time I didn't, and the MW didn't feel safe only having 8 members (and not enough to continue fielding baseball).

Well I guess our perspectives would have been very different during that time. From my perspective, I remember TCU accepted the Big 12 invite in October And we were invited several months later (May 2012). I didn’t start coming to this board until that summer, and I remember while it wasn’t certain BSU and SDSU were staying, most people seemed to feel that the wolf of Wall Street “I’m not effing leaving” announcements from them were either inevitable, or at the very least very likely.  
 

Anyways, I’m just saying the dynamics of the last round of realignment probably would have been very different had CCGs been an option for 10 team conferences.

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39 minutes ago, Tulsa Guy said:

 

If BYU did not receive a B12 invite, then BYU in AAC would strengthen the argument being made by Aresco for AAC to be an automatic qualifier for the proposed expansion of the national playoff to 8 teams.

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This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

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10 hours ago, nocoolnamejim said:

That's a decent point. While I'm at it, I'll check out Tulsa's football record over the last couple of decades.

Any team who wanted to could go into Texas tomorrow and recruit and sign 20 kids. How many players you sign from a state is less important than the quality of players. Glancing back at last year, Tulsa was 2-9 against FBS schools with one of those wins being against Uconn. The year further back you were 2-10.

Are we done here?

Naw.

 

Tulsa has four ten win seasons in football and a few NCAA appearences including one in women's this last decade. 

 

Boise is the only one in the MWC getting close to that.

 

 

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